- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:35:45 +0900
- To: public-i18n-core@w3.org
... are at http://www.w3.org/2008/03/12-core-minutes.html and below as text.
Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Internationalization Core WG
12 Mar 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Core_Homework
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/12-core-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison (partly), Michael, David, Richard, Felix
Regrets
Michelle
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison, Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]XLink 1.1 LC
5. [9]XML-Spec usage for WG Note status document
6. [10]documents to work on
7. [11]entities mail from Mick
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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[13]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Core_Homework
[13] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Core_Homework
Agenda
Action Items
Addison to finish revising Unicode Migration for publication;
Addison to resolve editing issues
Addison: write basic outline in wiki for a note on case folding
... update review radar also blog post, etc.
Mick: revise his proposal and send to public list as a reference for
future inquiries about bidi entities
<scribe> DONE
agenda plus for discussing mick's proposal
Addison: Write to WebAPI WG chair expressing our concern about
non-i18n statement and lack of i18n in widgets 1.0 WD
Andrew: create notes on how to use the wiki template
Addison to request new schedule following 2 April
Addison to reschedule the meeting for the next couple of weeks to
follow DST in USA
<scribe> DONE
Addison: produce list of documents and add to pipeline
<scribe> DONE
Info Share
[14]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Core_Pipeline
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Core_Pipeline
richard: one teammate published a blog to say that we have reached
1000 translations on the W3C website; and unicode really helped that
... and I have four more, so it's 1004; our first ukrainian ones
among them
mick: linking between translations is okay on w3 site, since content
negotiation is used; need some hints on managing translations for
sites that can't do this would be useful
richard: w3 site (outside i18n) uses a different format--uses a
database and no links appear on the pages themselves
mick: we've done things with automation to list the translations
available
<Mick>
[15]http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hubs/multilingual/japanese/content/i
nstall_multi_solaris.jsp
[15]
http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hubs/multilingual/japanese/content/install_multi_solaris.jsp
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XLink 1.1 LC
addison: issued their last call announce
... LEIRIs are in
... want to comment on this positiviely as a WG
XML-Spec usage for WG Note status document
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008JanMar/
0101.html
[16]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008JanMar/0101.html
richard: was editing bidi best practices yesterday... bit painful,
since I had to keep generating the document
... not using xmetal, so it might be easier to use html directly
... and if we go back to charmod, it'll take some DTD archaeology to
fix the docs up
... on the other hand, there are lots of good things to using xml
... for one thing, the docs are consistent
... and always valid, etc.
... can easily number things, etc. etc.
... on the gripping hand, if you want to change anything, it
requires that you edit a bunch of stuff, like DTD and XSLT
... so the question in my head was: should we change to html?
... maybe let authors decide?
felix: add a couple points
... xml means pain first, easy later
... html means easy first, pain later
... might disagree about leaving decision to editor
... I'd try to convince folks to use xmlspec, maybe, since it
provides more flexibility
... differences between TR and Editor version, for example, easier
to maintain using XSL
<fsasaki> addison: xml provides a significant learning curve
<fsasaki> .. but if things work it is easier to get things done
<fsasaki> .. I support the idea of XML
<fsasaki> .. but we have to be careful about non TR documents
<fsasaki> Richard: if we did use XHTML it would need to be carefully
controlled
<fsasaki> .. have stylesheet checking etc.
<fsasaki> Mick: choice of XML or HTML:
<fsasaki> .. barrier of usage is a problem, but I don't really care
<fsasaki> .. for people, XHTML is simpler
<fsasaki> Richard: XHTML appears simpler but we'd have to put a lot
of constraints on people for editing
<fsasaki> Mick: if people edit people their own XHTML - what are the
consequences?
<fsasaki> Richard: you need be sure that things work
<fsasaki> .. e.g. in character model we extracted a list of
conformance constraints, or example numbering
<fsasaki> .. we'd also need to do checking
<fsasaki> Felix: checking might not be so powerful if you use XHTML,
compared to the xmlspec
<fsasaki> .. people might also give us invalid XHTML which we'd need
to clean up
<fsasaki> Mick: is validation during upload possible?
<fsasaki> Richard: no
<fsasaki> .. we currently use XHTML 1.0
<fsasaki> David: doesn't matter to me which (X)HTML version
<fsasaki> Felix: think this discussion is only relevant for TR space
publications, not things published on our i18n site
<fsasaki> Richard: agree
<fsasaki> .. was always a strong supporter for XML document
<fsasaki> .. just wanted to re-visited that
<fsasaki> David: comment on Dream weaver and BOM
<fsasaki> Richard: there is an option about that Dream weaver
documents to work on
<fsasaki> Richard: charmod IRI, norm, LTLI, i18n-ws need to be
edited
<fsasaki> Felix: LTLI might be hot, but might take long time until
it's done
<fsasaki> Richard: chardmod norm has been going for a long time and
we refer to it frequently, would be good to have it done
<fsasaki> Mick: propose just to pick one and start with it
<fsasaki> David: agree with Mick - choose one
<fsasaki> David: soft preference for charmod norm
<fsasaki> Richard: we'll discuss this next week again with Addison
entities mail from Mick
<fsasaki> Mick: was a rewording of the original mail I had send out
<fsasaki> Richard: let's discuss again with Addison on the call
<r12a> [17]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Core_Homework
[17] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Core_Homework
<fsasaki> Richard: feel free to edit the homework page (to add this
to the agenda). Everybody can do that during the week
<fsasaki> adjourned
Summary of Action Items
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