RE: Urdu IDNs

Dear Najib,


The source of the translation is as below:

 

Morroco

Ref : Quami Urdu English Dictionary

Edited by: Dr Jameel Jalibi

Published by: National Language Authority Pakistan

Publishing Year:1992, pg. 1272

Morroco (noun):مراکش،مراکو

Moroccan (Noun) مراکشی باشندہ،مراکش کا رہنے والا،شمالی مغربی افریقہ کا ایک ملک

Moroccan (adj)مراکشی

 

You may be right that the city name has been generalized to refer to the country.  However, this seems to be the conventional translation in Urdu.

 

Best regards,

Sarmad

                                        

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From: Najib Tounsi [mailto:ntounsi@emi.ac.ma] 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:49 PM
To: Sarmad Hussain
Cc: 'Martin Duerst'; 'Richard Ishida'; public-i18n-core@w3.org; 'NayyaraKaramat'
Subject: Re: Urdu IDNs

 

Dear Samad, 

A first feedback. Morocco (.ma) is translated by مراكش "MARRAKECH". Marrakech, an old and historic name for Morocco المغرب.  Marrackech is a city in the south of Morocco. It was founded in the eleventh century by the first King (Youssef Ben Tachfine) of Almoravides Dynasty. At the time, Morocco was known as Marrakech. 
Marrakech is now a big city, very touristic. It is also called "The Pearl of the South".

Any way, I know that in many place in the middle-east, for example Iran, Morocco is known as Marrakech.  It seem that it is also the case in Pakistan. But Formally, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan,  (http://www.mofa.gov.pk/Blue_Book/BLUE_BOOK.htm)
Morocco is known as Morocco. For example, In Islamabad, you can find "EMBASSY OF THE KINGDOM OF MORROCCO".


Sarmad Hussain wrote: 

Dear Martin and others,
 
This is a national level exercise to see how Urdu may fit into the IDNA
framework being proposed by ICANN, at this time.  However, we are currently
circulating the list for feedback.  
 
Re. TLDs, the translations are for Urdu only and are just to simply map onto
existing English TLDs (and are not proposing new Urdu TLDs).  This mapping
is to allow complete Urdu address, at least on the user interface. `
  

Second: What do you mean by user interface. Urdu specific applications or UAs in general, e.g. browsers like Firefox and others?



 
Regards,
Sarmad
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Duerst [mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp] 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:41 PM
To: Richard Ishida; public-i18n-core@w3.org
Cc: 'NayyaraKaramat'; 'Sarmad Hussain'
Subject: Re: Urdu IDNs
 
Hello Richard, others,
 
Would it be possible to explain the purpose of this data a bit better?
Is this data that ICANN is currently collecting? Has the list of
characters in the "Character Set" sheet been compared to what's
currently allowed under IDNA?
 
For the caracter list, it would be good to have a distinction between
characters that are not needed for Urdu and characters that are
problematic for Urdu (because e.g. they may cause misunderstandings).
That will help sort things out when this data is merged with data
from other languages that use the same script.
 
Also, the translations/proposals for ccTLDs and gTLDs, are they
Urdu-specific or could they also work with other languages that
use Arabic? Obviously, there is e.g. only one .aero for all languages
that use the Latin script, and I don't see the point of creating
more than one equivalent for those languages that use the Arabic
script (or any other script, for that purpose). But ICANN may
not have understood this yet, or may just want to collect data
in a preparatory step.
 
Regards,    Martin.
 
At 20:52 07/06/28, Richard Ishida wrote:
  

This is a request for feedback from Sarmad Hussain, at Center for Research
in Urdu Language Processing FAST National University.  He is looking at
    

Urdu
  

IDNs based on ICANN recommendations.
 
Greg, Martin, and others, could you please take a look at this and make
comments?  If anyone is unable to view the Excel file, let me know and I'll
try to convert.
 
Thanks,
 
RI
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sarmad Hussain [mailto:sarmad.hussain@nu.edu.pk] 
Sent: 25 June 2007 14:57
To: 'Richard Ishida'
Cc: 'NayyaraKaramat'
Subject: RE: IDNs
 
Dear Richard,
 
Need feedback on the attached excel file for Urdu IDNA, 
especially the character set sheet.
 
Best regards,
Sarmad
 
      

 
    

 
 
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