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Re: Comments on "Use Cases & Exploratory Approaches for Ruby Markup"

From: MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 19:10:39 +0900
Message-ID: <CALvn5EA0Ovt+9ykL4Vwg-_WDoEBVnoZeQUpjthLpHORnMK4JMQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: "public-i18n-cjk@w3.org" <public-i18n-cjk@w3.org>
The second paragraph is hard to believe.

The researchers tried several methods to improve readability and found that
the best method was to replace kanji with hiragana. For this use case, it
would be ideal if user style sheet can replace kanji with its reading
without changing markup.

AFAIK, some dyslexic people prefer kanji and do not want to have ruby.
They prefer T2S or recorded voice.

I agree that hiragana-only rendering is useful for some people in some
cases.
But it is hard to believe that it is the best method.

Regards,
Makoto

2020年1月21日(火) 18:36 Jean-Christophe Helary <
jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org>:

>
>
> > On Jan 21, 2020, at 14:34, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Makoto,
> >
> > On 21/01/2020 14:13, MURATA Makoto wrote:
> >> I am puzzled by 2.1 Accessibility use case in
> >> "Use Cases & Exploratory Approaches for Ruby Markup".
> >>
> >> https://www.w3.org/TR/ruby-use-cases/#accessibility
> >>
> >> First, please provide a link to the research by the
> >> Japanese government.
> >>
> >> Second, as far as I know, some dyslexic people have
> >> problems with hiragana and ruby.  They can read
> >> kanji.  I thus just cannot believe the content of this
> >> subsection.
> >
> > I'm sure that there are dyslexic people who have problems with hiragana,
> > but can read kanji. But I'm also sure that there are dyslexic people who
> > have problems reading kanji but have no (or less) problems reading
> hiragana.
> >
> > It would be good to have references for both cases. Can you provide a
> > reference for your case?
>
> But it does feel weird to have a use case without the proper reference.
>
> I found a reference to a research that seems more recent than the one
> mentioned here at:
> https://jlsa-net.jp/hattatsu/dyslexia/
>
>
> "日本の調査データで最も近いものでは、文科省が2012年に実施した大規模調査がありますが、この結果によると、ディスレクシアを含む「知的発達に遅れはないものの学習面で著しい困難を示す方の割合」、つまり、学習障害のある方の割合は4.5%とされています。"
>
> But the provided links don't seems to point at the research itself.
>
> Jean-Christophe Helary
> -----------------------------------------------
> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune
>
>
>

-- 
Regards,
Makoto
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