- From: Adrian Roselli <Roselli@algonquinstudios.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:19:23 +0000
- To: Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
> From: Mallory van Achterberg [mailto:stommepoes@stommepoes.nl] > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:11 PM [...] > The core navigation is rarely marked up using ordered lists because, I would > think, it never changes the meaning or function of those links if instead of > starting with Home, you start with Products or Contact. > Our customers' main menus are pretty much just a dump of their main > product categories, in whichever order they thought them up. While I don't doubt you, do you have any data to back up "rarely marked up using ordered lists?" > My grocery list doesn't really care if I put the bananas first, last or in the > middle, or where the milk is. To be super pedantic, I care. I order my grocery list by the path I take through the grocery store so I don't have to skip around my list to mark stuff off. It's also a nested list in my case (Produce: apples, pears. Dairy: milk, eggs. Meat: bacon, more bacon.). > If my grocery list were a Hansel/Gretel thing, though, where I must (or > should) follow a specific path (first thing I encounter when entering the store > is the fruits/vegetables section so bananas should be first; then milk when I > get to Dairy; then phone minutes at the cashier)... now it's an ordered list. Yep, that's me. > Regarding other comments, I don't understand how "breadcrumbs" ever > became interpreted as meaning "hierarchy and not paths". Do I mis- > remember the story? The kids made a path, out of crumbs of bread? Going back a decade or more, I recall the debates (on evolt.org) about whether a breadcrumb should indicate a path or a hierarchy. My recollection, and my experience surfing about the web, indicates that the hierarchy approach won. As users drop into sites via search engines, a breadcrumb provides orientation for one's current location within the structure of the site. Otherwise a breadcrumb could be nothing more than "Google > Dish Soap." Also, we already have a back button to allow people to back out of where they ended up. Yes, this is anecdotal. But it's also based on a cursory look around the web just now. > I'm against the nested lists because of the code complexity, but it does make > semantic sense, if the purpose of a breadcrumb was to show heirarchy > instead of simply making an easy shortcut to related items for users in an > ordered manner, which is how I use them. [...] I agree. But there should also be no prohibition against nested lists... Unless we find that they are a barrier to accessibility.
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