Re: use of <mark> to denote notes in quoted text

Hi Jukka,

>I really cannot parse the question above.

yeah apologies for the poor construction.

>But my point was that any additions to quoted text must be indicated in
the text (at the text level). This may mean the use of notational
conventions or >explicit remarks, such as "emphasis mine". No markup can
make this unnecessary.

very helpful thanks!

>I think you are asking the question because you think that <blockquote>
should contain only quoted text as such. But then the problem is with the
>unrealistic idea that <blockquote> should be defined that way, with
exactness that greatly exceeds the needs of any foreseeable use of
<blockquote>

On the contrary I think that blockquote should be able to include quoted
text, citations and notes,

>In any case, let's wait for search engines starting to do such things, and
then, if it ever happens, worry about nuances like "[T]his" in quotations.

agreed

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Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 8 September 2013 20:46, Jukka K. Korpela <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi>wrote:

> 2013-09-08 11:36, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>
>> thanks Jukka, my question was prompted by the example in the spec using
>> mark to italicise text.
>>
>> So it sounds like you are saying that to include inline notes as per
>> convention without the need for specific markup to identify it is having
>> been added to the quoted text. Is that correct?
>>
>>
> I really cannot parse the question above. But my point was that any
> additions to quoted text must be indicated in the text (at the text level).
> This may mean the use of notational conventions or explicit remarks, such
> as "emphasis mine". No markup can make this unnecessary.
>
> If markup would be used as an auxiliary, additional way of specifying
> changes, how useful would it be? As with other markup proposals, there
> might be theoretical possibilities of programs actually making some use of
> the markup, but in this case that would be particularly unrealistic. What
> could software vendors possibly achieve by spending time in handling such
> markup?
>
> I think you are asking the question because you think that <blockquote>
> should contain only quoted text as such. But then the problem is with the
> unrealistic idea that <blockquote> should be defined that way, with
> exactness that greatly exceeds the needs of any foreseeable use of
> <blockquote>.
>
> Years ago, I was fascinated with the idea that search engines could
> recognize <blockquote> and ignore quoted material, or emphasize it, or only
> search for it, depending on user requests. I have not seen anything like
> that happen, and I find it unrealistic, partly because <blockquote> in the
> wild means little less than "indent". In any case, let's wait for search
> engines starting to do such things, and then, if it ever happens, worry
> about nuances like "[T]his" in quotations.
>
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