- From: Michael Zajac <mzajac@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 10:50:10 -0500
- To: public-html@w3.org
The blockquote code example which includes rel="author" implies that this means that the linked resource has information about the author of the content in the parent blockquote element. But this doesn’t conform to 4.12.5.2 Link type "author", which says: “For a and area elements, the author keyword indicates that the referenced document provides further information about the author of the nearest *article element* ancestor of the element defining the hyperlink, if there is one, or of the page as a whole, otherwise.” http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/links.html#link-type-author MZ. -- Michael Zajac http://zajac.ca/ +1-204-943-6596 On 2013-09-03, at 12:42, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Andrew, > After looking at markup patterns people use I have updated the definition of blockquote, to allow use of cite for in-text attribution. > > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element > > feedback welcome! > > -- > > Regards > > SteveF > HTML 5.1 > > > On 29 August 2013 13:29, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Andrew, > thanks for the clarification, understand now. initial reasoning is to keep metadata in an element that is recognised now by assistive tech (for example) as containing "information about its section such as who wrote it, links to related documents, copyright data, and the like." > > but from the use cases/examples provided on http://oli.jp/example/blockquote-metadata/ > it would be appropriate to provide a identify to include in line references and cite seems like a good candidate. > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > SteveF > HTML 5.1 > > > On 29 August 2013 10:46, Andrew Herrington <a.d.herrington@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I think my query wasn't clear. > > I generally support the change in the spec but I don't understand why we're requiring the attribution (if there is one) inside the block quote to be inside a footer element (see bolded part below) > > "Attribution for the quotation, may be be placed inside the blockquote element, but must be inside a footer element" > > Point 2 on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html seems to back the assumption that most people use the pattern: > > <blockquote> > Blah blah > <cite><a href=”http://example.com/foo”>A person</a></cite> > </blockquote> > > rather than: > > <blockquote> > Blah blah > <footer><cite><a href=”http://example.com/foo”>A person</a></cite><footer> > </blockquote> > > I think footer should still be allowed (for anything that doesn't fit inside a cite element) but I think we should allow the first pattern as people are using it and it has semantic value. > > > KInd regards, > > Andrew > > > > On 29 Aug 2013, at 10:21, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Andrew, >> >>> Apologies if I missed this but what is the reason for requiring the citation to be in a footer >> >> its not a requirement, >> its a relaxing of current requirements to allow for a common use, while providing a way to indicate "this is metadata about the quote" >> >> suggest reading- >> >> new (proposed): http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element >> >> old: http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element >> >> change based on: >> • https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22996 (note: am not closing bug as this discussion has some time to run yet) >> • http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2013/on-citing-quotations-again/ >> • http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/ >> • http://html5doctor.com/blockquote-q-cite/ >> • http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html and related >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards >> >> SteveF >> HTML 5.1 >> >> >> On 29 August 2013 10:15, Andrew Herrington <a.d.herrington@gmail.com> wrote: >> Apologies if I missed this but what is the reason for requiring the citation to be in a footer within the blockquote? Is this in case the quote itself contains a citation? >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Andrew >> >> >> On 29 Aug 2013, at 09:55, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> some details: >>> >>> new (proposed): http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element >>> >>> old: http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element >>> >>> change based on: >>> • https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22996 (note: am not closing bug as this discussion has some time to run yet) >>> • http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2013/on-citing-quotations-again/ >>> • http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/ >>> • http://html5doctor.com/blockquote-q-cite/ >>> • http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html and related >>> question: >>> >>> Is the change backwards compatible? i.e. does it break anything? >>> data appears to show that metadata about a quote inside blockquote element is common >>> ”inside blockquote” was used 57% of the time, while >>> “outside blockquote” was used 43% of the time. >>> >>> source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> SteveF >>> HTML 5.1 >>> >>> >>> On 29 August 2013 07:53, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have made a change in the HTML 5.1 editors draft to allow citations to be included in a footer element within a blockquote element. >>> >>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element >>> >>> >>> review and comment welcome! >>> -- >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> SteveF >>> HTML 5.1 >>> >> >> > > >
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