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Re: Resolving TextTrackCue issues

From: Jer Noble <jer.noble@apple.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:14:57 -0700
Cc: Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com>, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, public-html <public-html@w3.org>, Eric Carlson <eric.carlson@apple.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Message-id: <7A4E6E86-88FD-4F1C-89E8-9B3730B10608@apple.com>
To: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>

On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Jer Noble <jer.noble@apple.com> wrote:
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com> wrote:
>> In the blink-dev thread Silvia made reference to TextTrackCueGeneric,
>> [1] so it would be nice to hear from Apple (CC:ed) about whether or
>> not GenericCue would be a suitable replacement. AFAICT they don't seem
>> very similar, as TextTrackCueGeneric has rendering information
>> attached (e.g. setFontSize) and presumably can be rendered.
>> I would also like to hear from Eric/Jer on this point, but from my evaluation of TextTrackCueGeneric, the implementation of certain style properties seemed to be more of a side effect of (1) having this type inherit from the existing VTTCue laden rendering semantics of TextTrackCue (i.e., as currently implemented in WK), and (2) possible desire to support the ingestion of a renderable text cue based on an attributed string, e.g., see
>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/DOCUMENTATION/Cocoa/Reference/Foundation/Classes/NSAttributedString_Class/Reference/Reference.html
>> which allows one to associate font and other style data with substrings in a string.
> Indeed.  Our media engine delivers styled NSAttributedStrings strings representing cues from in-band caption and subtitle tracks.  As such, GenericCue would not be a suitable replacement as all the style embedded in those cue strings would be lost, or at least would be inaccessable to script.
> In other words, your implementation of TextTrackCueGeneric assumes these are (1) renderable cues, and (2) to be rendered by UA, not script. Yes?


> How are these being used at present? In other words, what format are you parsing to create attributed strings from which these renderable TextTrackCueGeneric cues are created and rendered (by UA)?

Currently, every subtitle and caption format supported by our media engine will result in cue data being delievered as NSAttributedStrings.

> Could (should) such format(s) have a distinct public interface type exposed in IDL (to script)?

Could? Probably.

Should we create distinct interface types for every format our (and every other) media engine supports now and in the future?  Probably not. :)


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