- From: Cameron Jones <cmhjones@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:56:41 +0100
- To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Cc: Willem-Siebe Spoelstra <info@spoelstra.ws>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CALGrgevepKSRdaJn895CHMhuz-k3Jn1GY6DR-u=N+OgC4uRxtw@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>wrote: > > On 16 October 2013 16:38, Cameron Jones <cmhjones@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> On 16 October 2013 16:19, Cameron Jones <cmhjones@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Steve Faulkner < >>>> faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 October 2013 16:08, Cameron Jones <cmhjones@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Steve Faulkner < >>>>>> faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3) The arrows should not be content but CSS in my opinion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the arrows convey direction to sighted users and I think they should >>>>>>> also convey direction to other users too, having them in text means that >>>>>>> they are announced by AT for example. NVDA announces: (→ "right arrow") >>>>>>> >>>>>>> list with 4 items >>>>>>> You are here: >>>>>>> link >>>>>>> Main >>>>>>> → >>>>>>> link >>>>>>> Products >>>>>>> → >>>>>>> link >>>>>>> Dishwashers >>>>>>> → >>>>>>> Second hand >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Is this really a good idea? Isn't this the same problem of mixing >>>>>> style with structure? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ? the arrows have a meaning that meaning is conveyed regardless of >>>>> style. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Only within the context of the set of breadcrumbs. >>>> >>> >>> which the text label/heading indicates "you are here:" see the feedback >>> from users here: http://davidmacd.com/test/breadcrumb.html >>> >> >> It seems like the jury is split based on that sample. >> > > from the linked doc: > > "Summary: 5 like "you a here", 2 prefer "Breadcrumb trail", 1 likes either" > > That's hardly unanimous. There is typically a large margin for error in limited sample sizes. The data suggests that there is also a large differentiator with regard to the experience level. But the survey is regarding the effect of markup, not necessarily the semantic structure. > >I'm not suggesting that there is no notification of separator, but that > could be retained within the realm of a screen reader implementation > > its not just for screen readers > > Who else is to benefit from the use of arrows in markup? I thought their purpose was so they could be "read out"? Thanks, Cameron Jones
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