Re: indicating subtitles using small

hi Ian also also think that the de-emphasis associated with using small
while not explicitly stated, is implied

the spec says:

The small element does not "de-emphasize" or lower the importance of text
> emphasized by the em element or marked as important with the strong
> element. To mark text as not emphasized or important, simply do not mark it
> up with the em or strong elements respectively.
>

which seems odd to state unless it de-emphasises when used in other
circumstances.





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SteveF
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On 20 May 2013 17:03, Ian Devlin <ian@iandevlin.com> wrote:

>
> Then I guess it depends on what "de-emphasize" means. Visually? It's not
> clear.
>
>
> On 20 May 2013 17:28, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> In the cases cited I think that's the very reason  why it has been used,
>> to make it smaller visually and thus de-emphasize it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Stevef
>>
>> On 20 May 2013, at 16:17, Ian Devlin <ian@iandevlin.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well the specification currently contains a note that says: "Small print
>> typically features disclaimers, caveats, legal restrictions, or copyrights.
>> Small print is also sometimes used for attribution, or for satisfying
>> licensing requirements."
>>
>> Such information is important, but using <small> in these cases would
>> de-emphasize it, which probably isn't a good thing.
>>
>>
>> On 20 May 2013 16:30, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK so there has been continuing discussion on the issue of using <small>
>>> in the comments of post about headings and subtitles[1]
>>>
>>> and mallory[3] pointed out that according to bootstrap [2]:
>>>
>>> "For de-emphasizing inline or blocks of text, use the small tag."
>>>
>>> While I don't see a case for defining the <small> element as explicitly
>>> indicating a subtitle I am partial to the idea of <small> de-emphasizing
>>> text
>>>
>>> This is deemed more important than <small>this</small>, by the author.
>>>
>>> thoughts?
>>>
>>> [1] http://html5doctor.com/howto-subheadings/
>>> [2] http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/base-css.html
>>> [3] https://twitter.com/stommepoes/status/333196283294658560
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> SteveF
>>> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 April 2013 07:33, Angie Radtke <a.radtke@derauftritt.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 08.04.2013 23:30, schrieb Åke Järvklo:
>>>>
>>>>  Small elements inside headings seems fine to me. I never considered
>>>>> this a
>>>>> problem until the events leading up to tweets about boycotting
>>>>> Bootstrap
>>>>> over this issue started the other day.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think nobody wants  to boycott bootstrap.
>>>> It is only a CSS-Framework. If bootstrap-users (devs)  will use small
>>>> inside the headlines it is their descion.
>>>> The only problem is that it is an example  in the bootstrap docs. So
>>>> people with less knowledge will think that this is the right way.
>>>> It is not a big deal for the bootstrap-guys to add a class like
>>>> "subtitle" to the css-files.
>>>> The decision to use small for subtitles comes out of missing
>>>> alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't very lucky that Joomla! has choosen bootstrap, because it has
>>>> more issues. But now I have to deal with it and I hope we can help the guys
>>>> to make it better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bye Angie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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