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Re: indicating subtitles using small

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:35:48 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VnB6P7YPs8qC_iHsJ0KvoTOMh_Ue_qaqPnXe_rnOU_Wwg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
>I believe
>the use of small for sub-thingies in headings also predates HTML5

i did a quick grep of <small> in h1/h2/h3  https://
dl.dropbox.com/u/377471/tests/smallinhx.html <https://t.co/1lllq5VA1s>
using the http://webdevdata.org data set

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Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 7 April 2013 22:07, Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 08:23:00PM +0100, Léonie Watson wrote:
> > Steve Faulkner wrote:
> >> “what are peoples thoughts on extending <small> to identify
> >> subheadings/subtitles taglines etc. when used as a descendant of a hx
> >> element?”
> >
> > I think it would be prudent to keep <small> for marking up  small print
> like
> > legal disclaimers etc. Extending it to include taglines etc. would blur
> the
> > semantics too much.
> >
> > This does have echoes of the <hgroup> question though. I wonder whether
> it’s
> > worth revisiting the idea of a purpose built element for taglines,
> > straplines and the like?
>
> I've been using <small> for exactly this sub-heading use for some
> time now. While I could agree that it should be a "no" if it must
> remain more a fine-print/legal text semantic, the reason I've been
> using it over a span is really how I hear it in my head: the same
> way I hear small print and often stuff in parenthesis, and for this
> reason the text is indeed usually styled smaller (same reason legal
> text is).
>
> The fear of blurring the semantics more is, in my view, already done
> since HTML5 making a new meaning of an old tag pretty much means
> most developers will be using the original meaning, if any. I believe
> the use of small for sub-thingies in headings also predates HTML5, but
> someone would have to show evidence like Steve's hgroup research.
>
> The arguments of the Bootstrap guys are not very convinving; for
> them, any tag would do and they chose this one. Hey, they also use
> <li> for heading tags too. If some in the WG would rather stiffen up
> the usage of <small> to restrict this kind of random usage, I'd
> understand. And then we'd have more reason to figure out tagline
> solutions.
>
> OT:
> Then again I've continued using <address> for addresses, and would
> rather the name change to reflect "webmaster contact email".
>
> -Mallory
>
>
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