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Re: Disappointing change in HTML5ís WAI-ARIA section

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 22:58:06 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VmMiYj38NmY2hksYJJYU8bAk3moHQPB3tq9H2azojuPFA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Cc: public-html <public-html@w3.org>
I have tweaked the initial wording in the note:

it now reads:

"Authors are encouraged to make use of the
following documents for guidance on using ARIA in HTML beyond that
which is provided in this section:"

hope you find this is a more productive statement.

--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 6 April 2013 21:30, Leif Halvard Silli
<xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>wrote:

> Steve has added the following to the top of the WAI-ARIA section of
> HTML5: [1]
>
> ]]
>   The primary audience for this section is user agent and conformance
> checker implementers. It contains incomplete guidance for authors.
> Authors are advised to make use of the following documents for guidance
> on using ARIA in HTML:
>  * Using WAI-ARIA in HTML - A practical guide for developers on how to
> to add accessibility information to HTML elements using the Accessible
> Rich Internet Applications specification [ARIA]. In particular the
> Recommendations Table provides a complete reference for authors as to
> which ARIA roles, states and properties are appropriate to use on each
> HTML element.
>  * WAI-ARIA 1.0 Authoring Practices - An author's guide to
> understanding and implementing Accessible Rich Internet Applications
> [[
>
> Comments:
>
> * It feels unproductive to have a section which effectively says
> "please look somewhere else". This is dangerous for a spec to do.
>
> * If is true that it is not for authors, then why is HTML5ís WAI-ARIA
> section included in the HTML5 Authors View version of the spec?[3]
>
> * The logical consequence of the above addition, is that HTML5ís
> section on how to author the @alt attribute for img elements [2], gets
> a similar 'please look somewhere else' section. That is, practically
> speaking, that it gets a pointer to Steveís document on how to author
> @alt for images.
>
> * Comparing 'incomplete guidance for authors' in first paragraph with
> 'practical guide for developers' in first list item, it makes me wonder
> whether 'authors' and 'developers' is the same thing.
>
> * I am positive about 'Using WAI-ARIA in HTML' document. But I am not
> positive if it is used to avoid tackling problems in HTML5 proper.[4]
>
> I send this message to this list, rather than opening bugs because, as
> I believe I have shown above, the above cited section has a little bit
> too many issue connected to itself.
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#wai-aria
> [2]
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#alt
> [3] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/wai-aria.html#wai-aria
> [4] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20696
> --
> leif halvard silli
Received on Saturday, 6 April 2013 21:59:18 UTC

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