Re: hgroup to be removed from HTML5, where to from here?

Hi all,

I did a quick grep[1] of the http://webdevdata.org data set to look at how
developers actually mark up subtitles/subheadings/taglines

even from a cursory glance the <hx><hx> pattern does not appear to be the
norm, use of <div> or <p> is much more common.

[1] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/377471/tests/subhead-class.html

with regards

--
SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
<http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>


On 2 April 2013 11:21, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:

> The decision to remove hgroup from the HTML5 spec has been made [1]
>
> Where to from here?
>
> I suggest that we also remove it from HTML 5.1 as it has never had broad
> support as defined and there have been a number of proposals[3] and a long
> history of debate about it.
> Anybody who advocates it can  propose it (as is or with a changed
> definition) as an extension spec(s) [2], other extension specs may also be
> proposed ( I have a few possibilities :-) )
>
> lets use this opportunity to decide whether:
> a) a feature for identifying multiple subheadings, subtitles, taglines or
> bylines is actually important enough to add an element to HTML?
> b) if its is do we need a different feature or can we fix hgroup?
>
>
>
>
> [1]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Apr/0003.html
> [2] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ExtensionSpecifications
> [3]
>
>    1. *Change Proposal: replace hgroup with the subline element
>    <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hgroup>*
>    2. *Change Proposal: no-change hgroup<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0031.html>
>    ** <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0042.html>*
>    3. *Change Proposal: replace hgroup with a simple element<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0042.html>
>    *
>    4. *Change Proposal: remove hgroup add an outlineMask attribute<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hSub2>
>    *
>    5. *Change Proposal: Replace <hgroup> with an element that has a
>    simple content model and backwards compatibility.
>    <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hSub2>*
>
>
>
> with regards
>
> --
> SteveF
> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
>