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Re: Getting HTML5 to Recommendation in 2014

From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 08:10:58 -0400
Message-ID: <505B07D2.7070609@intertwingly.net>
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
CC: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, "w3c-wai-pf@w3.org" <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, "Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> (janina@rednote.net)" <janina@rednote.net>, Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>, "Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org> (jbrewer@w3.org)" <jbrewer@w3.org>, Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>
On 09/20/2012 07:49 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>   In regards to http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164 I have
> spent considerable time and effort providing what was required by the
> current WG process.
> It does appear that this work was a waste of my time as it will no
> longer be taken into account under the new process, instead I must now
> produce an extension spec, once that is produced  why would I not
> expect to have the rules changed again?

I'd like to draw your attention to the last two words in the first 
sentence in the second paragraph in the very email that you quoted:

 >> We'd like to now propose our draft plan [1] to the HTML Working 
Group for consideration.

In case that is not clear, let me state that we are indeed soliciting 
input.  After a discussion period (undefined, we honestly don't know how 
long this will go) and potentially after a few revisions of the plan are 
made, we intend to issue a call for consensus on that version of the plan.

I will state that the specific circumstances around issue 164 are 
difficult.  We have five different proposals, and informal input that 
"anything but hgroup" would be acceptable to some.  We have encouraged 
people to work together to consolidate these proposals down to a fewer 
number, but that simply hasn't happened.

We've suggested that the semantics of hgroup are at risk, and that we 
begin the process of removing unstable features in October.

> regards
> SteveF

- Sam Ruby

> On 19 September 2012 22:33, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> The HTML Working Group has made much progress on HTML5 and related specifications. The HTML Working Group Chairs and the Protocols and Formats WG Chair have been asked by the W3C Team to provide a credible plan to get HTML5 to Recommendation status by 2014. Challenges remain in achieving this goal. We sought to produce a plan that achieves this date and that has minimal risk of delays from unexpected events.
>> We'd like to now propose our draft plan [1] to the HTML Working Group for consideration. Here are the key points of our plan:
>>          - Revise the draft HTML WG charter to indicate an HTML 5.0 Recommendation in 2014Q4 and an HTML 5.1 Recommendation in 2016Q4.
>>          - Use Candidate Recommendation exit criteria to focus testing where it is advisable (e.g. new features), without wasting time on testing where it is inappropriate (such as when interoperability is already proven on the Web).
>>          - Use modularity to manage the size and complexity of the specifications while reducing social conflict within a constrained timeline:
>>                  - Gain agreement that the remaining open issues can proceed via extension specifications at first. Provide an opportunity to merge extension specifications back into the baseline spec upon getting WG consensus and after the extension specifications meet their Candidate Recommendation exit criteria.
>>                  -Welcome the option of extension specifications that don't merge back at all and instead proceed at different paces and possibly even with different Candidate Recommendation exit criteria.
>> We encourage discussion of this draft plan in response to this email.  We will also add this item to the respective agendas of the next meetings of the HTML WG, the Accessibility Task Force and the PF WG.
>> /paulc
>> On behalf of:
>> Sam, Maciej, Paul, Janina, Philippe and Judy
>> HTML Working Group Chairs, Protocols and Formats WG Chair & The W3C Team
>> [1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/html5-2014-plan.html
>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
Received on Thursday, 20 September 2012 12:11:41 UTC

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