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RE: ISSUE-194: full-transcript - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals

From: Sean Hayes <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:07:07 +0000
To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
CC: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <E9A92BD0A4FC934EB7935470A46D152409066F0A@DB3EX14MBXC325.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Yes, I think there are at least five use cases for metadata text about a movie.

Title - Mary Poppins.

Description: Disney movie about a magical nanny who comes to work for a cold hearted banker's unhappy family. 

Summary: Spoiled and bored upper crust Edwardian English family has their world turned upside down by an all nonsensical nanny who teaches them how to enjoy life. This movie is a musical and has both comedy and pathos and lots of imaginative scenes that are wonderful for adults and children alike.

Long Description (from Wikipedia):
The film opens with Mary Poppins (Julie Andrews) perched in a cloud high above London in Spring 1910. The action descends to Earth where Bert (Dick Van Dyke), a Cockney jack-of-all-trades is performing as a one-man band at a park entrance. The spectators watching him include: Ms. Persimmon (Marjorie Eaton), Miss Lark (Marjorie Bennett) and Mrs. Corry (Alma Lawton). He suddenly senses that his good friend is about to return...

[A woman of indeterminate age dressed in a long black dress and carrying a short parasol, sits on a cloud looking down at the city of London]
[Cut to A street scene in Edwardian London,  A brightly dresses barker addresses a small crowd]
Bert: All right, ladies and gents, 
    Comical poems suitable for the occasion, extemporized and thought up before your very eyes.
    All right, here we go.
... and so on...

Which one we map longdesc to I am flexible on, but I don't think the transcript is the most appropriate.

This may not be unique to <video> but that's the case I care about.

-----Original Message-----
From: Silvia Pfeiffer [mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com] 
Sent: 15 March 2012 11:28
To: Sean Hayes
Cc: Sam Ruby; public-html@w3.org
Subject: Re: ISSUE-194: full-transcript - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals

This is a good discussion.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Sean Hayes <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com> wrote:
> I am not sure that these are necessarily the same thing at all. A transcript is IMO a static untimed merged representation of the information in in the caption and description tracks. A longdesc would probably be something more along the lines of a synopsis or précis. I think we need mechanisms that can handle both of these use cases.

A summary is metadata and more than the sighted get if it's hidden in
a such a field. It would be a problem if we encouraged such
publication approaches. Such text should be recommended to be
published as on-page text and referenced with aria-describedby.

> I agree that it makes sense to wait and see how the discussion on generic 'off page text' pans out; it might be for example that we end up with both an attribute and an element e.g. @longdesc and <longdesc> (following the precedent of @src and <source>) where the latter admits a richer set of adornments, possibly including some sort of role attribute which can distinguish between a transcript and a synopsis, amongst other uses for off-page text.

Do I understand correctly that this is a suggestion to allow several
long description documents to be associated to a video? Do you have
use cases? Why would video need something like this an no other

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