- From: Smylers <Smylers@stripey.com>
- Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:59:43 +0000
- To: "<public-html@w3.org>" <public-html@w3.org>
Mark Watson writes: > I was referring to common customer expectations. When a customer > chooses between a new TV with a Netflix badge and one without they > don't expect to be able to watch Netflix on the one without the badge. That may be true but I don't see how it's relevant to the open web platform. If a TV has a web browser (and implements all the relevant open web standards) then I'd expect it to be able to display content from all websites, not just sites that are in cahoots with the TV's manufacturer. In particular, I would expect it to work with sites that don't exist at the time the TV was manufactured. I would not expect the TV to require a badge on it for every website I may wish to visit. So yes, I might expect a TV without a Netflix badge to be able to use the Netflix website. However, if a TV doesn't advertise general open web capabilities but instead has specific software installed to view walled-garden content from particular suppliers, then it isn't part of the open web. Anybody buying such a TV runs the risk of those particular content suppliers ceasing to trade, or changing their formats, or no longer providing as wide a range of content. In that case the device manufacturer and the content provider necessarily have a commercial relationship (possibly indirectly) and as such can arrange for appropriate software for playing the content to be installed on the device. So it isn't necessary there for the technology used to deliver the content to follow open web standards. If the content can't be viewed solely by implementing open web standards then I don't see why it's interesting for it to be 'mostly' implemented using open web standards; whether the 'missing piece' is a CDN or a codec or plug-in -- or indeed whether the entire software is a completely closed source application written from scratch using bare ones and zeroes -- doesn't affect the fact that it's not the open web but a service only available to those who enter into certain contractual relationships. So I don't see why the 'requires a badge' scenario is relevant to HTML5. > At Netflix we don't have customers telling us that we 'don't get it'. > It's often argued that all customers want is easy, convenient, > reasonably-priced and legal access to content and they become > frustrated with industries that refuse to offer them that. But that is > exactly what we are offering and what we want to make possible with > HTML5. For what it's worth I'm not a Netflix customer. You operate in my country (the UK), but as I understand it your service is not available on the operating system I run (Linux, with Firefox as my browser), and obviously there's no point in my becoming a customer unless my system is supported. Given that Linux and Firefox are both software libre, I would like for you to use technology which is entirely openly specified and can be entirely implemented in open source software. In particular, I'd like to sign up with a service which doesn't limit the devices, operating systems, and browsers on which I may view its content, including allowing hardware and software doesn't yet exist. At the moment the Netflix service is harming its customers by restricting their ability to freely switch to a different operating system. If a Netflix customer who currently runs Windows realizes that in general she would be better off running Linux instead on her computer, she can't switch because she'd lose Netflix functionality. Or if you provide Linux support but as a secret binary blob, that may give me access at the moment but restrict me from later deciding I'd rather switch to, say, FreeBSD instead. Whereas if you provide support in a truly open way, customers have no such restrictions imposed on them. Similarly, I did not download any music from major record companies until they started making it available to buy in MP3 format. > Our use of content protection _vastly_ increases the range of content > we can offer to our customers, But it limits your customers to those who use particular software which has signed the appropriate contracts; it isn't available to anybody who uses a web browser implementing open web technologies. > so I fail to see how it harms them. It appears to be harming me right now. As a customer the thing I would most appreciate would be for Netflix to use its strong position in the market to pressure content owners to allow adopting a format which is entirely opening implementable. That's effectively what happened with the music download industry: certain large players insisted that they wished to provide music files without CRM, and eventually the content owners complied. As a customer I am grateful for the music download sites which did this, as it has improved what is available to me. > It's just not an issue that we get any number of Customer Service > calls about (either from customers or would-be customers). I don't think Netflix has ever sought my opinion as to why I'm not a customer. John Simmons writes: > ... the Amazon Video on Demand service is supported from my Samsung > Blu-Ray player. Now that surprised even me, and I am in this industry. That it is surprising is evidence that at the moment there isn't an expectation for content to be available across different devices that aren't in cahoots with content providers. HTML is surely about making content available to all who implement open web standards, so this surprise is something we wish to replace with a general expectation that everything will work everywhere. > I bring this up because it illustrates what I believe is at the heart > of the dispute about this proposal- a lack of clarity regarding the > future significance of broadband-broadcast convergence - brought about > because each industry is caught in its own 'paradigm paralysis' - its > own tunnel vision reinforced by the decisions of the past. I agree. > I am convinced that if we get this right, clearly understanding the > requirements for commercial video distribution on the web and the > needs of an open web we can bring about a broadband-broadcast, > multi-screen revolution that will be one of the most significant web > developments since 1993. > > That is my belief, and I know others on this thread agree with me. That sounds fair enough. > That is why I am so supportive of this effort. Curiously, it's similar thinking that has led me to come to the opposite conclusion, not wishing to support a proposal which leaves a crucial part of the solution only available to certain parties. Cheers Smylers
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