[Minutes] (HTML WG telecon 2012-02-23: issue progress, heartbeat drafts, task force reports) from Glenn Adams on 2012-02-23 (public-html@w3.org from February 2012)

From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:22:59 -0700
To: HTML WG LIST <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CACQ=j+d7YD9GieZeE=73P7CZ9bjv11Vb=nYuvjx_ja7c5S_03Q@mail.gmail.com>
   [1]W3C

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                      HTML Weekly Teleconference

23 Feb 2012

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0017.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/23-html-wg-irc

Attendees

   Present
          glenn, hober, eliot, Radhika_Roy, Julian, Sam, mjs,
          [Microsoft], Cynthia_Shelly, krisk

   Regrets
   Chair
          mjs

   Scribe
          glenn

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]ACTION items due by Thursday, February 23
         2. [6]New Issues This Week:
         3. [7]Items Closed Last Week
         4. [8]Items Closing This Week
         5. [9]Items Closing Next Week
         6. [10]New Calls this week
         7. [11]New Surveys this week
         8. [12]Decisions this week
         9. [13]Task Force Reports
        10. [14]AOB
        11. [15]Scribe for next meeting
        12. [16]Adjournment
     * [17]Summary of Action Items
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   <trackbot> Date: 23 February 2012

   <scribe> scribe: glenn

   yes

   already set up

ACTION items due by Thursday, February 23

   None

New Issues This Week:

   None

   There is 1 tracker request

   [18]http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=T
   rackerRequest

     [18] http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest

Items Closed Last Week

   ISSUE-193: inaccessible-example call for Change Proposals closed Feb
   15

   [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0070.htm
   l

     [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0070.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-193 Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible
   content notes added

   ISSUE-194: full-transcript call for Change Proposals closed Feb 15

   <trackbot> ISSUE-194 Provide a mechanism for associating a full
   transcript with an audio or video element. notes added

   [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0073.htm
   l

     [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0073.html

   ISSUE-195: form-http-req call for Change Proposals closed Feb 15

   <trackbot> ISSUE-195 Enhance http request generation from forms
   notes added

   [21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0071.htm
   l

     [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0071.html

   ISSUE-196: ua-http-resp-handling call for Change Proposals closed
   Feb 15

   <trackbot> ISSUE-196 Define user agent http response handling
   behaviour notes added

   [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0072.htm
   l

     [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0072.html

   ISSUE-197: accept-file-ext call for Change Proposals closed Feb 15

   <trackbot> ISSUE-197 Accept attribute should allow file extensions
   in addition to the current allowed values notes added

   [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0074.htm
   l

     [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0074.html

   ISSUE-182: footnote-recommendation call for Alternate or Counter
   Proposals closed Feb 16

   <trackbot> ISSUE-182 Advice in spec about annotations promotes
   inaccessible content notes added

   [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0084.htm
   l

     [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0084.html

   ISSUE-185: drop-pubdate call for Alternate or Counter Proposals
   closed Feb 16

   <trackbot> ISSUE-185 Drop the pubdate attribute notes added

   [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0083.htm
   l

     [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0083.html

   ISSUE-188: generic-track-format call for Alternate or Counter
   Proposals closed Feb 16

   <trackbot> ISSUE-188 Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way
   agnostic of the specific caption format notes added

   [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0085.htm
   l

     [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0085.html

   ISSUE-189: uri-web-prefix call for Alternate or Counter Proposals
   closed Feb 16

   <trackbot> ISSUE-189 Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with
   IETF notes added

   [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0086.htm
   l

     [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0086.html

   ISSUE-198: innerHTML-patent-policy call for Change Proposals closed
   Feb 16

   <trackbot> ISSUE-198 Ensure innerHTML and related APIs are subject
   to the W3C patent policy notes added

   [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0077.htm
   l

     [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0077.html

   ISSUE-199: aria-processing call for Change Proposals closed Feb 16

   <trackbot> ISSUE-199 Define complete processing requirements for
   ARIA attributes notes added

   [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0078.htm
   l

     [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0078.html

   ISSUE-200: legend-placement call for Change Proposals closed Feb 16

   <trackbot> ISSUE-200 Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in
   non-FIELDSET elements notes added

   [30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0079.htm
   l

     [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0079.html

   ISSUE-201: canvas-fallback call for Change Proposals closed Feb 16

   <trackbot> ISSUE-201 Provide canvas location and hit testing
   capability to fallback content notes added

   [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0080.htm
   l

     [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0080.html

   ISSUE-202: figcaption-words call for Change Proposals closed Feb 16

   <trackbot> ISSUE-202 Missing alt should not be considered conforming
   in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length notes added

   [32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0081.htm
   l

     [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0081.html

   ISSUE-203: media-descriptions call for Change Proposals closed Feb
   17

   <trackbot> ISSUE-203 All Media Elements should have the ability to
   have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the
   element notes added

   [33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0098.htm
   l

     [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0098.html

   mjs: questions or comments?

Items Closing This Week

   ISSUE-172: restore-rb, extension closes Feb 21

   [34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0197.htm
   l

     [34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0197.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-172 restore <rb> as an optional element notes added

   ISSUE-187: validity-stability, extension closes Feb 23

   <trackbot> ISSUE-187 Document conformance has to be stable over the
   time notes added

   [35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0032.htm
   l

     [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0032.html

   ISSUE-190: coding-example, Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb 23

   <trackbot> ISSUE-190 Replace poor coding example for figure with
   multiple images notes added

   [36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0127.htm
   l

     [36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0127.html

   ISSUE-191: ins-del, Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb 23

   <trackbot> ISSUE-191 Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by
   a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution notes added

   [37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0128.htm
   l

     [37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0128.html

   ISSUE-192: title-attribute, Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb
   23

   <trackbot> ISSUE-192 title attribute definition does not match
   reality notes added

   [38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0129.htm
   l

     [38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0129.html

   mjs: questions or comments on issues closed last week?

   <rubys> request:
   [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0306.htm
   l

     [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0306.html

   <paulc> Cannot join on the phone today due to other commitments

   Ted: re: issue-189 requests extensions for counter proposal

   mjs: at least a week before this one closes
   ... will check on formal extension

Items Closing Next Week

   None

New Calls this week

   Call for Consensus to publish 10 Heartbeat drafts

   [40]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0247.htm
   l

     [40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0247.html

   ISSUE-182: footnote-recommendation, Call for Consensus closes Feb 29

   <trackbot> ISSUE-182 Advice in spec about annotations promotes
   inaccessible content notes added

   [41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0250.htm
   l

     [41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0250.html

   ISSUE-188: generic-track-format, Call for Consensus closes Feb 29

   <trackbot> ISSUE-188 Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way
   agnostic of the specific caption format notes added

   [42]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0251.htm
   l

     [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0251.html

   ISSUE-193: inaccessible-example, Call for Alternate or Counter
   Proposals closes Mar 21

   <trackbot> ISSUE-193 Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible
   content notes added

   [43]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0264.htm
   l

     [43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0264.html

   ISSUE-194: full-transcript, Call for Alternate or Counter Proposals
   closes Mar 21

   <trackbot> ISSUE-194 Provide a mechanism for associating a full
   transcript with an audio or video element. notes added

   [44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0266.htm
   l

     [44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0266.html

   ISSUE-195: form-http-req, Call for Alternate or Counter Proposals
   closes Mar 21

   <trackbot> ISSUE-195 Enhance http request generation from forms
   notes added

   [45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0263.htm
   l

     [45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0263.html

   ISSUE-196: ua-http-resp-handling, Call for Alternate or Counter
   Proposals closes Mar 21

   <trackbot> ISSUE-196 Define user agent http response handling
   behaviour notes added

   [46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0268.htm
   l

     [46] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0268.html

   ISSUE-197: accept-file-ext, Call for Alternate or Counter Proposals
   closes Mar 21

   <trackbot> ISSUE-197 Accept attribute should allow file extensions
   in addition to the current allowed values notes added

   [47]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0265.htm
   l

     [47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0265.html

   ISSUE-199: aria-processing, Call for Alternate or Counter Proposals
   closes Mar 21

   <trackbot> ISSUE-199 Define complete processing requirements for
   ARIA attributes notes added

   [48]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0269.htm
   l

     [48] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0269.html

   ISSUE-201: canvas-fallback, Call for Alternate or Counter Proposals
   closes Mar 21

   <trackbot> ISSUE-201 Provide canvas location and hit testing
   capability to fallback content notes added

   [49]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0267.htm
   l

     [49] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0267.html

   mjs: wants to make sure people understand a "deferred"

   issue-187?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over
   the time -- open

   <trackbot> [50]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187

     [50] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187

   issue-190?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with
   multiple images -- open

   <trackbot> [51]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190

     [51] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190

   issue-192?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match
   reality -- open

   <trackbot> [52]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192

     [52] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192

   mjs: today's the day for counter proposals

   issue-188?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a
   way agnostic of the specific caption format -- open

   <trackbot> [53]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188

     [53] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188

   closes 29th

   issue-193?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-193 -- Remove CSS example that promotes
   inaccessible content -- open

   <trackbot> [54]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193

     [54] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193

   issue-194?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full
   transcript with an audio or video element. -- open

   <trackbot> [55]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194

     [55] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194

   issue-195?

   issue-196?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms
   -- open

   <trackbot> [56]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195

     [56] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195

   issue-197?

   issue-199?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-196 -- Define user agent http response handling
   behaviour -- open

   <trackbot> [57]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/196

     [57] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/196

   issue-201?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-197 -- Accept attribute should allow file
   extensions in addition to the current allowed values -- open

   <trackbot> [58]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/197

     [58] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/197

   <trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for
   ARIA attributes -- open

   mjs: deadlines march 21st

   <trackbot> [59]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199

     [59] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199

   <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing
   capability to fallback content -- open

   mjs: comments questions?

   <trackbot> [60]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201

     [60] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201

New Surveys this week

   None.

Decisions this week

   ISSUE-198: innerHTML-patent-policy, Closed Without Prejudice and
   DEFERRED

   [61]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0248.htm
   l

     [61] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0248.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-198 Ensure innerHTML and related APIs are subject
   to the W3C patent policy notes added

   ISSUE-202: figcaption-words, Closed Without Prejudice and DEFERRED

   <trackbot> ISSUE-202 Missing alt should not be considered conforming
   in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length notes added

   [62]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0249.htm
   l

     [62] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0249.html

Task Force Reports

   Testing Task Force

   Krisk: met as planned on 14th

   <krisk> Here is the meeting notes
   [63]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Fe
   b/0010.html

     [63] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Feb/0010.html

   <krisk> Here is the bug
   [64]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15925

     [64] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15925

   krisk: a few test submissions, see meeting notes
   ... but don't work in a lot of browsers
   ... feedback requested

   <krisk> [65]http://test.w3.org/html/tests/submission/html5bidi/

     [65] http://test.w3.org/html/tests/submission/html5bidi/

   krisk: tests, spec, or impl may be wrong

   Accessibility Task Force

   mjs: anyone from Accessibility Task Force here?

   cynthia: alternatives, canvas, ...., issue processing status
   ... wasn't prepared to give report
   ... major topic was text processing, and timing
   ... how to get all bug processing done

AOB

   ISSUE-203: media-descriptions

   <trackbot> ISSUE-203 All Media Elements should have the ability to
   have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the
   element notes added

   [66]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Feb/008
   4.html

     [66] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Feb/0084.html

   mjs: expecting CP soon
   ... email cited in agenda
   ... will close soon sans update

   ISSUE-189: uri-web-prefix, update required

   <trackbot> ISSUE-189 Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with
   IETF notes added

   [67]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0270.htm
   l

     [67] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0270.html

   mjs: updated by julian, only one CP; would proceed to CfC, but an
   extra week requested for counter
   ... any other topics?

Scribe for next meeting

   <rubys> I'll likely be the chair

   ted volunteers to scribe

   sam will chair

Adjournment

   now adjourned

   trackbot-ng, stop meeting

   <trackbot> Sorry, glenn, I don't understand 'trackbot-ng, stop
   meeting'. Please refer to [68]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
   for help

     [68] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc

   trackbot-ng, end-meeting

   <trackbot> Sorry, glenn, I don't understand 'trackbot-ng,
   end-meeting'. Please refer to
   [69]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

     [69] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc

   trackbot, end meeting

Summary of Action Items

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