- From: Simon Pieters <simonp@opera.com>
- Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:21:52 +0100
- To: public-html@w3.org, "Lars Gunther" <gunther@keryx.se>
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:11:53 +0100, Lars Gunther <gunther@keryx.se> wrote: > 2011-11-06 11:27, Simon Pieters skrev: >> ISSUE-164 >> >> SUMMARY >> >> No changes. >> >> RATIONALE >> >> <hgroup> support has been shipped in multiple browsers, > > But not in any meaningful way. The subtitle is not hidden as it should > be. AFAIK browsers don't expose the outline so don't implement the outline algorithm. > Removing hgroup "support" in browsers should be trivial. > >> books explaining >> its use have been sold, and content on the Web have started to use it. >> Removing <hgroup> (and possibly using a different element or markup >> pattern to solve the use case) is disruptive. > > At least in the mind of the spec editor and a few more it *was* and > still *is* possible to remove <time> and instead use <data>. Removing <time> was not really successful, as far as I can tell. It backfired. It was disruptive. > <time> has seen considerably more use than <hgroup>. Citation needed. http://www.google.com/codesearch#search/&q=%3Ctime%20datetime=%20lang:html&type=cs 140 http://www.google.com/codesearch#search/&q=%3Chgroup%3E%20lang:html&type=cs 179 (Google code search probably doesn't match use on the Web perfectly, but it's a quick test and gives a rough picture.) > <hgroup> is *not* being used in any meaningful way yet, since there are > no tools that actually honors its meaning. (At least no one has ever > come up with an example of the opposite in any discussion that I have > participated in.) The only tools I know of are outliners that implement the spec's outline algorithm. -- Simon Pieters Opera Software
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