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Re: ISSUE-155 counter proposal

From: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:25:13 -0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTinC7YYBThkXab_QOzRX4jizqp49mAp=SBHf1H2O@mail.gmail.com>
To: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Cc: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, public-html@w3.org
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:13 AM, Leif Halvard Silli
<xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no> wrote:
> Ian Hickson, Wed, 23 Mar 2011 04:06:47 +0000 (UTC):
>  [...]
>  [...]
>> Non-CSS UAs [ snip ] can already draw table
>> borders on tables, so adding a presentational attribute for this purpose
>> adds nothing for them. [...]
> What use is there in having non-CSS UAs that are able to draw borders,
> if authors aren't allowed to use the very HTML feature that triggers
> them to actually draw them?
> Non-CSS UAS do not draw a single border unless one sets the border
> attribute to a non-zero value. The default styling of tables, is to not
> display the border.

The point is that non-CSS UAs can (and, apparently, *should*) do this
as part of their default stylesheet.  The "default styling of tables"
is a UA-specific setting.  HTML recommends a certain UA stylesheet but
does not require it, and non-CSS UAs can't implement it in the first
place (as they don't use UA stylesheets).

Received on Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:26:05 UTC

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