- From: John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>
- Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 08:17:41 -0700
- To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>
- Cc: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Further, in the current case of TellMeMore (the recent Opera extension) the visual indication is in the browser chrome, not the actual page. The simple fact is that to make @longdesc discoverable we need for the user agents to do something. Since telepathy doesn't appear to be a viable option, we are left with few options: an audio indication, or a visual indication. Perhaps next-gen UAs might explore haptic feedback, but today, here and now, some form of visual notification seems the most likely. Where and how browsers implement that would be a browser feature, a design choice left to each browser: an alternate cursor on focus is certainly one option, but not THE option. JF Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote: >I don't agree with the 'no forced visual encumberence' requirement it is >part of what got us into a pickle with longdesc. > > > Showing a indicator next to or inline with the image when the image either >recieves focus or moused over is not a 'forced visual encumberence'. > > >regards >stevef > >On 26 April 2011 10:16, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis ><bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Leif Halvard Silli >> <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no> wrote: >> > iCab does show a "default visual encumbrance" for images with @longdesc. >> >> The user has to take a special action (hovering over the image) to display >> the >> encumbrance (a cursor change), so it's not "default". >> >> If we accepted iCab's behavior as a "default visual encumbrance", we'd need >> to reject all Laura's examples of long descriptions with "No Forced Visual >> Encumbrance or Default Visual Indicator". >> >> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/research/ld.html#noclutter >> >> All discoverable metadata can be made visible. The actions required to do >> this >> range from trivial (hovering) to hard (writing a custom scraper). But >> don't confuse >> "easily discoverable metadata" with visible data. >> >> -- >> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis >> >> > > >-- >with regards > >Steve Faulkner >Technical Director - TPG > >www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com | >www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner >HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - >dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ >Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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