- From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:09:03 -0400
- To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
- CC: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, nathan@webr3.org, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Unless this discussion is likely to result in bug reports or change proposals in the near future, I strongly suggest that it be taken off list. - Sam Ruby On 09/24/2010 04:02 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 24.09.2010 09:39, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: >> On 24 Sep 2010, at 08:25, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> On 24.09.2010 01:08, Sam Ruby wrote: >>>> On 09/23/2010 06:21 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>>> On 23.09.2010 22:04, Ian Hickson wrote: >>>>>> ... >>>>>> what their position is on adding this to new features). IMHO there's >>>>>> not really much point discussing features that browser vendors aren't >>>>>> willing to implement. >>>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> Are you saying that for this use case, browser vendors are more >>>>> important like, for instance, search engines? >>>> >>>> Julian: can you convert this statement into one that points out a >>>> specific feature of HTML5 that breaks, for example, search engines? >>> >>> No. It was just a reply to the claim that browsers are the only HTML >>> consumers of importance. >> >> I don't see any such claim in the quoted text. > > "IMHO there's not really much point discussing features that browser > vendors aren't willing to implement" > >> Do browsers /need/ to "the only HTML consumers of importance" for >> their refusal to implement a particular syntax for metadata to make it >> a non-starter? If we're going to bother to add metadata to documents, >> don't we want browsers (as well as search engines) to be able to >> extract and present that data to users? For example, if I was using a >> citation vocabulary, I'd want people to be able to write browsers with >> built-in features like Zotero: >> >> http://www.zotero.org/ >> >> to extract my citations, or at least to be able to write browsers with >> APIs that made it easier to write such add-ons. > > Nice example. Zotero *does* use prefix-based indirection to extract > metadata, without specific browser support to do so. This proves that > it's possible, and does get implemented despite the lack of "browser > vendors interest". > >> Browsers are certainly not the only important consumer. But I think >> they are a *critical* consumer. > > I don't believe they are *that* critical for this use case. Of course it > would be nice if browsers made use of additional metadata at some point > of time, but that doesn't mean it's necessary to deploy these kind of > extensions. > > Best regards, Julian >
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