- From: Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com>
- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:12:31 +0200
- To: public-html@w3.org
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 03:38:38 +0200, John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu> wrote: > http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist Yes, I'm aware of this document, but it's not the one that was put forward in <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0327.html>. (At first I didn't actually realize there were two separate documents, and I don't think having them separate makes any sense.) I'm struggling to understand what adopting <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements> would actually mean. Quoting from : "This document is most explicitly not a collection of baseline user agent or authoring tool requirements. It is important to recognize that not all user agents (nor all authoring tools) will support all the features discussed in this document." I take this as a carte blanche for browser vendors to ignore each and every requirement if they so wish. Surely, that's not the desired outcome, given that we're trying to advance the state of media accessibility on the web? Trying to move forward... On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 03:52:44 +0200, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote: > Based on discussion so far, I can imagine a couple of potential steps > forward: > > (1) Clarify the intent of the requirements document - it identifies a > comprehensive set of needs, but in further review only some of these > will be considered MUST-level for the HTML5 spec itself. I don't think that accepting any document that puts binding requirements on the HTML5 spec would be fruitful. If we're able to reach agreement on some specific requirement, we should simply put it in the HTML5 spec itself. > (2) Continue review of the document, particularly by implementors who > have not followed the TF discussion, since we have identified some > important points of disconnect in the discussion so far. Maybe, but only after it's clear what we're going to use the document for. > (3) Consider revising the document to remove requirements that are not > directly related to accessibility (if there is consensus on that). Yes, but only after it's clear what we're going to use the document for. There are plenty of requirements I think should be removed, and I have suggested to do so in my feedback. > (4) Instead of officially adopting the requirements as representing > consensus of the HTMLgroup, perhaps we can just accept it as one piece > of input into the broader conversation. For other ISSUEs, we haven't > officially adopted a requirements document, and that has been ok. Still, > evaluating proposed solutions against this document could provide a > useful piece of information. Yes, I don't think we should officially adopt any requirements except those in the HTML5 spec itself. So, how do we actually improve the state of media accessibility? My preference is of course to see concrete proposals for changes to the spec, particularly about the captioning format, as that's quite central. However, assuming the TF prefers to work on a higher level, something along the lines of what Henri suggested would also be helpful. As an implementor, I would really like to know what kinds of technologies are proven in practice and give real benefits to users with disabilities. The current document is nice as an introduction to what types of disabilities are relevant to the web, but the actual requirements are mostly too technical to give any helpful insight into what works for them and why. -- Philip Jägenstedt Core Developer Opera Software
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