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Re: ISSUE-128 (figure-in-p): Chairs Solicit Proposals

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC)
To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1010071739560.8618@ps20323.dreamhostps.com>
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Henri Sivonen wrote:
> > 
> > This is the style used, for instance, on [1].
> I notice you are using my site as an example. Here's a site whose CMS I 
> contributed to many years ago:
>    http://fimug.fi/mugi-illoista
> The figure there uses another style. It's the first child of a 
> paragraph.

It doesn't have to be. If you just moved the span to before the paragraph, 
you'd get exactly the same rendering. As a bonus, the markup would look 
way cleaner.

> I think both kinds of figures are legitimate and authors should be able 
> to use whichever way fits their current design.

What are the two kinds of figures?

I haven't replied to the rest of the e-mail as it all seem predicated on a 
premise that I don't understand; namely that there is some use case that 
requires use of <figure> inside <p> to obtain a particular rendering. As 
far as I can tell this is neither true in theory (CSS is quite competent 
at aligning floats in the ways described here, and for extremely unusual 
cases HTML does provide appropriate hooks, such as <div> and style="", to 
make things work) nor in practice (all of the examples I've seen are 
trivially handled in today's browsers without having to put a <figure> 
inside a <p>).

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