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- Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:44:57 +0000
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11206 Summary: Presentational tag [font,b,u,i] CANNOT be removed for many reasons. Three scenarios very good scenarios: 1. HTML5 Mobile sites with BlackBerry8xxx and 9xxx support 2. HTML5 Emails 3. Legacy content 4. Injected legacy content via iframe/scripts 1) Producin Product: HTML WG Version: unspecified Platform: Other URL: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#top OS/Version: other Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: HTML5 spec (editor: Ian Hickson) AssignedTo: ian@hixie.ch ReportedBy: contributor@whatwg.org QAContact: public-html-bugzilla@w3.org CC: mike@w3.org, public-html-wg-issue-tracking@w3.org, public-html@w3.org Specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/ Section: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#top Comment: Presentational tag [font,b,u,i] CANNOT be removed for many reasons. Three scenarios very good scenarios: 1. HTML5 Mobile sites with BlackBerry8xxx and 9xxx support 2. HTML5 Emails 3. Legacy content 4. Injected legacy content via iframe/scripts 1) Producing a mobile HTML5 website for iPhone, iPad, Android and old BlackBerry 8xxx series. The old BlackBerry needs presentational tags to work at all, it does not support CSS. In some BlackBerry, the phone comes out of the box with JavaScript disabled and it has been found in testing that when JavaScript is disabled, if any support for CSS is also present on that phone, the CSS engine is ALSO disabled! (Total non-sense but true) In the case of old BlackBerry, it often does not respect BLOCK elements and those are forcefully rendered INLINE. Some known work-around exists such as using a fix-width series of inlined content that will seems to be displayed like BLOCK element, while still having an enhanced CSS3 look on iPhone/iPad/Android using the same HTML page content. Some proponents will suggest using two different mobile websites or server-side technology to serve different version of HTML for these models. Unfortunately, many of our clients asks their provider to provide a mobile website that use NO SERVER-SIDE technology whatsoever, this means: JSP,ASP,ASPX,C#,PHP,Perl,SHTML or similar are not allowed for security reasons, only plain HTML/CSS/JavaScript are allowed. Furthermore, maintaining the textual content in various HTML versions would be a total maintenance nightmare. 2. When sending HTML emails to be read on various email clients, some will render them without formatting, some will render them only with presentational tag and some will also render the CSS. So, to have a consistent layout for all of those use cases, presentational tag duplicating the CSS styling is required and no ignoring this large portion of end-user who do not have CSS capable email clients is NOT an option. 3. Legacy pages or web application that needs to be maintained or must "quickly" be improved to have a CSS3/iPhone/Android look. In those case, presentational tag will be overridden by CSS on those specific targets. Finally, presentational tags are currently working in all browsers, I can fully understand the CSS arguments, the problem is that they are often used to work-around either browser bugs or are already used in legacy projects. Posted from: 66.131.214.18 -- Configure bugmail: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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