- From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:34:26 +0100
- To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
- Cc: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>, "Ennals, Robert" <robert.ennals@intel.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, HTMLwg <public-html@w3.org>
Maciej Stachowiak, Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:15:16 -0700:
> On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
>> Maciej Stachowiak, Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:18:24 -0700:
>>
>>> I think Microdata and RDFa are good examples of standardized
>>> extensions. However, as a browser engine developer, I would like the
>>> ability to do vendor extensions (either experimental or not intended
>>> for public Web content) without stepping on valuable shared
>>> namespace. We have a decent way to do that with CSS properties using
>>> the vendor prefix convention(*). It would be nice to have something
>>> similar at the HTML level. It seems like Rob's proposals (either X or
>>> Y) would provide ways to do that.
>>
>> Rob states in proposal X that
>>
>> ]]Any document that parses correctly in both XML and HTML is guaranteed
>> to parse to the same DOM tree.[[
>
> I think this statement is true, even with Robert's proposal.
....
> All browsers seeing the same DOM is different from XML and HTML
> parsing producing the same DOM.
This is not what I had in mind. I only had text/html in mind.
> The former is essential, and separate
> from any differences in processing that DOM. The latter will not be
> achieved by Robert's proposal and is probably not practical for
> various edge case reasons.
Vendor prefixes would then be an edge case?
What I meant was that if an attribute prefix lives in a namespaces
according to one user agent, but not according to another (which could
be a possibility in text/html, even if it may not be possible in
XHTML), then a prefixed attribute "leave" on the DOM tree could be
targeted, via CSS, like this,
[*|attribute]{}
in the UA that sees it as a namespace. And like this,
[namespace\:attribute]{}
in an UA which doesn't see the namespace. May be this difference is
what you refer to as the "produced DOM"? And I argue that one cannot
avoid this difference, when it comes to vendor prefixes.
Effectively, in text/html, then a vendor specific namespace could be
implemented without the use of a prefix - one could simply do this:
<div -wexbkit="value">
Those that support the -webkit namespace could then see it (in CSS) as
[*|-webkit]
Or as
[webkitnamespace|-webkit]
whereas the others could target it as
[-webkit]
(Unlike for CSS prefixes [but also not in CSS, if the extension is a
specific selector syntax!], then in HTML, we cannot avoid that user
agents/authors potentially make use of the vendor prefix in a
non-vendor specific fashion.)
--
leif halvard silli
Received on Wednesday, 17 March 2010 06:35:02 UTC