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Re: new dates for issue items based on today's HTML WG teleconference

From: Shelley Powers <shelleyp@burningbird.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:07:29 -0600
Message-ID: <4B9A58B1.7080008@burningbird.net>
To: public-html@w3.org
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Laura Carlson wrote:
>
> > On 3/11/10, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> >> Shelley Powers wrote:
> >>> I read the minutes for today's HTML WG teleconference. Are there  
> >>> new due
> >>> dates for Issues 9, 30, 31, 32, 74, 80, and 85? What is the status  
> >>> of
> >>> Issue 66?
> >>
> >> The WG chair's understanding of the status of each can be found here:
> >>
> >>   http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
> >>
> >> In summary, here is the current dates that the chairs have been  
> >> tracking
> >> to for the next step of each issue:
> >>
> >>   Mar 10: 66
> >>   Mar 23: 31, 80
> >>   Mar 25: 32
> >>   Apr 5: 9
> >>   None: 30, 66, 74, 84
> >>
> >> We have yet to update the dates based on the new information.
> >
> > I updated the Accessibility Change Proposal Status Table in the a11y
> > Task Force Wiki based on today's discussion.
> > http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/
> > Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
> >
> > I think I got the dates right but will double check when Maciej
> > updates the main table.
>
> It's not immediately clear to me what updates are needed to the issue  
> status page until the Chairs have a chance to discuss this, so there  
> probably won't be any relevant updates until early next week. (In  
> particular, I'm not sure what to do about cases where the projected  
> date for "Arrival at HTML WG" is a considerable way in the future, on  
> issues where we already received Change Proposals some time ago.)
>
> Regards,
> Maciej

I'm sympathetic to the aims of the accessibility task force, but I must 
admit to more than a little irritation that I had to practically beg for 
a few extra weeks in order to write my change proposals, yet we still 
don't have a firm idea when we expect final results from issues that 
have been active considerably longer--in some cases over a year.

I can understand that some of these issues are complex, particularly 
those related to canvas and video. I would think, though, that we're 
ready to go to a poll for Issues 30, 32, and 66, as these have change 
proposals and have been discussed, extensively, in this email list. I 
mean, really: time to fish, or cut bait, folks.

Instead of a poll, instead of _something_ that can finally lead to 
resolution, according to Laura's change proposal status page[1] (thanks 
Laura), we have some vague dates late in April, based on face to face 
meetings, when I believe the guiding principle of the HTML WG is that 
all decisions are made in the email lists -- not at face to face 
meetings. The reason why decisions are made in email lists and not face 
to face meetings, is that the latter are not inclusive. The face to face 
meetings are also not definitive--without a significant number of team 
members present, nothing really can be decided.

I don't think I'm out of line to ask when can we expect definitive 
dates, and definitive actions on these items? Also, though I know this 
is obvious to everyone, we're looking at the possibility of this group 
being inundated with change proposals in April--both from my items, 
Julian's items, and now, seemingly, the accessibility proposals. This, 
when you all are also planning all these face-to-face meetings.

Luckily for our sanity, it looks like Issue 41 will have a change 
proposal this month. I don't dare hope, though, that this one will have 
a speedy resolution, so we're looking at this one going into April, too. 
Fun.

Shelley

[1] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
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