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Re: HTML4 Diffs - Object, again

From: Karl Dubost <karl+w3c@la-grange.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:11:19 -0400
Cc: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-Id: <D54EC68D-8D5B-49C5-B40E-91E8249B8EC8@la-grange.net>
To: "L. David Baron" <dbaron@dbaron.org>

Le 26 juin 2010 à 23:52, L. David Baron a écrit :
> I think the HTML4 model was just a spec bug resulting from the use
> of DTDs to express the restrictions of the language.

It was here before HTML4. Already used in Cougar [1] aka HTML 3.2. 

    <!ENTITY % special

It is also mentioned in an old draft specific to object, which has
been used to design HTML 4.0 [2]. Btw, I didn't remember that 
HTML 4.0 was composed of a few Working drafts put together in the 

    In Inserting objects into HTML
    At http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-object-970218#object

    The OBJECT element has the same content model as 
    the HTML BODY element, except that one or more 
    optional PARAM elements can be placed immediately 
    after the OBJECT start tag and used to initialize 
    the inserted object.

There was an attempt at a FIG element also in HTML 3, [3] which looks 
like a lot the OBJECT element.

    <FIG SRC="nicodamus.jpeg">
      <CAPTION>Ground dweller: <I>Nicodamus bicolor</I>
      builds silk snares</CAPTION>
      <P>A small hairy spider light fleshy red in color with a brown abdomen.
      <CREDIT>J. A. L. Cooke/OSF</CREDIT>

Digging a bit more, there was a long thread [4] starting with this 
message [5] "<FIG> implies <P>?" discussing about FIG and P elements 
relationship. Mike Batchelor is saying:

    I've noticed with Arena, that using a <FIG> implies a <P>.  
    Is this intentional?

    Example:  I want to put a <FIG> in the middle of a paragraph, 
    and have that paragraph wrap around the top, side and bottom 
    of the <FIG>.  

[1]: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Cougar/HTML.dtd
[2]: http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-html40/
[3]: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/figures
[4]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/1995Jul/0090
[5]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/1995Jul/thread#90

Karl Dubost
Montréal, QC, Canada
Received on Tuesday, 29 June 2010 03:12:04 UTC

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