- From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
- Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:41:37 +0200
- To: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Cc: Bruce Lawson <brucel@opera.com>, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, Shelley Powers <shelleyp@burningbird.net>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Steven Faulkner, Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:34:40 +0100: > hi leif, > >> But this does not rule out using <figure role="img"> > > ONLY if the images are meant to be percieved as a single image: > > http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#img > "An img represents a single graphic within a document, whether or not > it is formed by a collection of drawing objects." Right. But that is the kind of debate we have? This debate does focus almost solely on the case when <figure> is used to give an <img> a caption. Leif H. > regards > stevef > > 2010/6/7 Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>: >> Steven Faulkner, Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:19:11 +0100: >>>> Again, Steve, you did not answer one of my questions previously: what >>>> is the default ARIA role for <figure> *itself*? >>> >>> leif try reading what i wrote in my original email on this thread: >>> >>> # <figure> should be mapped to accessibility APIs as a grouping >>> element like <p> or <div> >>> >>> in other words role="group" >> >> Thanks, I'm sorry I did not looked harder before asking. But this does >> not rule out using <figure role="img">. Firstly, quoting ARIA, >> role="img" designate a group *as well*: >> >> ]] >> group >> A set of user interface objects which are not intended be included >> in a page summary or table of contents by assistive technologies. >> […] >> img >> A container for a collection of elements that form an image. >> [[ >> >> Secondly, an img doesn't take part in in the TOC. >> >> Leif Halvard Silli >> >>> regards >>> stevef >>> >>> On 7 June 2010 16:10, Leif Halvard Silli >>> <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no> wrote: >>>> Steven Faulkner, Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:19:09 +0100: >>>>> hi bruce, >>>>> >>>>>> <figure> >>>>>> <img src=ceo.jpg alt=""> >>>>>> <figcaption>Brian Slick, CEO of Blammo Corp, leveraging a >>>>>> synergy</figcaption> >>>>>> </figure> >>>>>> >>>>>> seems entirely accessible (?) >>>>> >>>>> the issue i see with this is that using alt="" says the image can be >>>>> safely ignored. A caption is a label for something so the presence of >>>>> the image needs to be exposed. >>>> >>>> This is no different from the WAI-ARIA example - WAI-ARIA does not >>>> think it has to "be exposed": >>>> >>>> <div role="img" aria-labelledby="caption"> >>>> <img src="example.png" role="presentation" alt=""> >>>> <p id="caption">A visible text caption labeling the image.</p> >>>> </div> >>>> >>>>> when <figcaption> is supported in browsers the mapping will be >>>>> provided so that: >>>>> >>>>> <figure><img src=ceo.jpg alt="Brian Slick, CEO of Blammo Corp, >>>>> leveraging a synergy"></figure> >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> <figure> >>>>> <img src=ceo.jpg> >>>>> <figcaption>Brian Slick, CEO of Blammo Corp, leveraging a >>>>> synergy</figcaption> >>>>> </figure> >>>>> >>>>> will both provide the accessible name as "Brian Slick, CEO of Blammo >>>>> Corp, leveraging a synergy" >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> The proper solution to Bruce's example ought to be be this: >>>> >>>> <figure role="img" > >>>> <img src=ceo.jpg alt=""> >>>> <summary>Brian Slick, CEO of Blammo Corp, leveraging a >>>> synergy</sumamry> >>>> </figure> >>>> >>>> Yes, there are some backward compatibility issues. We have to discuss >>>> how we can be *both* backward compatible *and* HTML5 compatible. >>>> -- >>>> leif halvard silli >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> with regards >>> >>> Steve Faulkner >>> Technical Director - TPG Europe >>> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium >>> >>> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org >>> Web Accessibility Toolbar - >>> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html >> > > > > -- > with regards > > Steve Faulkner > Technical Director - TPG Europe > Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium > > www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org > Web Accessibility Toolbar - > http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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