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Re: [Bug 7075] New: The embed element should be deprecated

From: Joe D Williams <joedwil@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:40:21 -0700
Message-ID: <81BCABDC9A494E2E9395F7A5CABD679D@joe1446a4150a8>
To: <public-html@w3.org>, <bugzilla@wiggum.w3.org>, "Joe D Williams" <joedwil@earthlink.net>
Cc: <dave.null@w3.org>, <scampa.giovanni@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Bug 7075] New: The embed element should be deprecated

Hi,
Here are some more keystrokes for this bug.

ref:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/
W3C Working Draft 23 April 2009


> Here is a start at some editing for [Bug 7075]
>
> 1. Move existing 4.8.4 to 11.1.4
>
> "4.8 Embedded content"
> ...
> Delete:
> 4.8.4 The embed element
>
> Renumber remaining 4.8 and update related references.
>

> 2. Insert edited content created from
> original 4.8.4 as 11.1.4 The embed element

"11 Obsolete features"
...
"11.1.4 The embed element

The embed element is the original general purpose interface derived 
for the purpose of including active content in the document. All uses 
of this element are replaced using the object element."

(all the rest of the text from 4.8.4 is OK pending further review)

>
> Update any references
>


Thank You and Best Regards,
Joe


>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe D Williams" <joedwil@earthlink.net>
> To: <bugzilla@wiggum.w3.org>; <public-html@w3.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bug 7075] New: The embed element should be deprecated
>
>
>> Thanks for this bug report. This <embed> element has served it's 
>> purpose as the initial way to get active content into the document. 
>> It was needed only during that time when all browsers did not 
>> support <object> and is no longer needed or recommended, There are 
>> no more browsers or applications around that need <embed>. Plus, as 
>> pointed out in the report, <embed> has no usefull accessibility 
>> features.
>> Best practice for an author that has employed <embed> should 
>> instead be to use <object> with appropriate fallback that does not 
>> include <embed>.
>>
>> Thanks Again and Best Regards,
>> Joe
>> http://www.web3d.org/x3d/wiki/index.php/X3D_and_HTML5
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <bugzilla@wiggum.w3.org>
>> To: <public-html@w3.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:04 AM
>> Subject: [Bug 7075] New: The embed element should be deprecated
>>
>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7075
>>>
>>>           Summary: The embed element should be deprecated
>>>           Product: HTML WG
>>>           Version: unspecified
>>>          Platform: PC
>>>               URL: http://dev.w3.org/html/spec/#the-embed-element
>>>        OS/Version: Windows XP
>>>            Status: NEW
>>>          Severity: normal
>>>          Priority: P2
>>>         Component: HTML5 spec bugs
>>>        AssignedTo: dave.null@w3.org
>>>        ReportedBy: scampa.giovanni@gmail.com
>>>         QAContact: public-html-bugzilla@w3.org
>>>                CC: ian@hixie.ch, mike@w3.org, public-html@w3.org
>>>
>>>
>>> The embed element has no fallback abilities, and thus is 
>>> completely useless
>>> for:
>>>
>>> - users of accessibility technology
>>> - users of text browsers or other browsers which don't support 
>>> plugins (but
>>> still are required to support <embed>)
>>> this includes search engines and data mining tools
>>> - users with plugins disabled
>>> - users with a missing plugin for the required content and no 
>>> ability to
>>> install one
>>>
>>> In addition, the embed element has no use that could not be served 
>>> by the
>>> object element, that in addition has rich fallback and more media 
>>> types usable
>>> (including still images and nested browsing contexts).
>>>
>>> Therefore, the embed element, its attributes and its processing 
>>> requirements,
>>> should be moved to the obsolete section (where currently reside 
>>> applet and
>>> marquee)
>>> Conformance checkers should inform the page author about the 
>>> object element (as
>>> validator.w3.org always did) and conforming documents must not 
>>> include an embed
>>> element.
>>>
Received on Wednesday, 29 July 2009 16:41:03 UTC

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