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Re: PROPOSAL: Procedure to Promote Progress With Accessibility Issues in HTML5

From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:18:01 +0100
Message-ID: <55687cf80907200218m2bb05f1ap638bd6ee4a76d98b@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>, W3C WAI-XTECH <wai-xtech@w3.org>, wai-liaison@w3.org, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Hi Ian,

>If there is anything I could do to make it easier for you to proceed along
>a more rapid course, please let me know. As you are aware, <canvas> is
>being more widely implemented now and so the quicker we can provide these
>APIs, the quicker the state of the Web will improve. Also, if I can
>encourage you to work with browser vendors in the design of the solution
>you design, that would definitely help shorten the time from after you
>send your proposal to when we can see your proposal deployed, since it
>would mean I wouldn't have to go and try to get their support after the
>fact (which is often harder).

>>If there is anything I could do to make it easier for you to proceed along
>a more rapid course, please let me know.

Of course we will work as fast as we can, but we within a particular
process, so you will have to bear with us.

As you are aware, <canvas> is
>being more widely implemented now and so the quicker we can provide these
>APIs, the quicker the state of the Web will improve.

It is unfortunate that this issue was not taken seriously when it was first
raised back in 2007, if it had then there may well be an implemented
solution.


>Also, if I can encourage you to work with browser vendors in the design of
the solution
 This is what we are doing and plan to do, if you have any people in
particular you think we should reach out to please provide their contact
details.

I have so far been in contact and have had interest in particiaption from
people from mozilla, microsoft, opera, and  apple.
and from companies such as adobe and IBM.

>since it
>would mean I wouldn't have to go and try to get their support after the
>fact (which is often harder).

canvas is already implemented in a number of browsers so it will be after
the fact in any case, so after the fact in one month or 12 does not appear
to make a practical difference to how hard it will be to get implemented.
also we will endeavour to work directly with browser vendors where we can so
that the burden is not upon you.

regards
stevef



2009/7/19 Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>

> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, David Poehlman wrote:
> >
> > I do not see this response as coverage for moving forward with it.
> > What am I missing?  I see/hear your issues, but this is not the thread
> > in which the vent them as I understand the process?
>
> I'm not trying to vent issues; I'm trying to indicate that as far as I can
> tell, the process described is the one that is being followed, at least by
> me, and I am thus trying to understand how I can make things better.
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Steven Faulkner wrote:
> > ian wrote:
> > >I am still hopeful that the WAI will clearly identify
> > >accessibility functional requirements and provide rationale. Is there
> any
> > >chance the WAI could provide an ETA for such advice on this topic?
> >
> > this email answers your question as to what is going on and ETA
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jul/0562.html
>
> Thanks.
>
> If there is anything I could do to make it easier for you to proceed along
> a more rapid course, please let me know. As you are aware, <canvas> is
> being more widely implemented now and so the quicker we can provide these
> APIs, the quicker the state of the Web will improve. Also, if I can
> encourage you to work with browser vendors in the design of the solution
> you design, that would definitely help shorten the time from after you
> send your proposal to when we can see your proposal deployed, since it
> would mean I wouldn't have to go and try to get their support after the
> fact (which is often harder).
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Laura Carlson wrote:
> >
> > > Laura, in the interests of the collaboration you espouse, could you
> > > reply to the e-mail I wrote to you last month?
> >
> > Taking sides and placing blame will not help collaboration.
>
> The e-mail in question:
>
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jun/0669.html
>
> ...is not about taking sides; it is merely a question from me about what I
> can do to improve communication with the WAI. If I do not know what I am
> doing wrong, it is hard to improve. You have several times now suggested
> principles that we should follow, but as far as I can tell we are
> following them all already -- so if we are not, it would be helpful to
> know what it is we are not doing.
>
>
> > [snip other initiatives].
> >
> > These are all very good, Ian. I appreciate your recent efforts.
>
> You unfortunately skipped past some of my questions. They were not
> rhetorical; answers to these questions really would concretely help move
> this forward.
>
> Specifically:
>
> Can we get a commitment from members of the WAI to approach issues on the
> basis of the shared goal of making HTML 5 the best solution for everyone,
> including people with disabilities and people without disabilities?
>
> Can the WAI commit to approaching accessibility issues holistically,
> instead of following one-solution agendas as I was recently informed is
> explicitly being done with the summary="" issue?
>
> Could the WAI respond to my e-mails, such as these?:
>
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jun/0173.html
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jul/0262.html
>
>
> > The table headers issue is the only progress that happened with the
> > accessibility issues in the past two years. That took people from PF and
> > the HTML WG actually talking, truly debating, and collaborating at a
> > face-to-face meeting.
>
> If we're not debating now, could you point out how we're not doing so? As
> far as I can tell, there is no difference between what we're doing now and
> what we did during the table headers issue discussion.
>
> --
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>



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Steve Faulkner
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Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium

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