- From: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:21:15 -0600
- To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
- Cc: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, public-html <public-html@w3.org>
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote: >> Ian Hickson wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>> >>>> Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have updated the counter-proposal located on the ESW Wiki at >>>>> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/KeepMicrodata . >>>> >>>> "If Microdata were to be split from the HTML spec, it is possible that >>>> control of it would move to a separate working group, which would move part >>>> of HTML's development out of the hands of the working group chartered to >>>> develop HTML." >>>> >>>> How so, without the HTML WG agreeing to that? >>> >>> This was a point Shelley brought up, I believe: >>> >>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0189.html >>> >>> Since nobody questioned it when Shelley suggested it, I presumed it was a >>> good argument and suggested to Tab that it might be worth taking her >>> suggestion into account. >> >> It would be helpful if you'd be a *bit* more concrete in what you're >> referring to (why waste other people's time looking up one sentence in a 10 >> page email when you don't have to?). >> >> *Assuming* you're referring to: >> >> "Actually this really is a question of control. If pieces are split off >> from the HTML5 document, they could end up in their own working >> groups, and with their own editors. That means this group, and you, >> would have little control over the spec, if this were to happen." >> >> So yes, if something is split into a separate spec, and then the WG agrees >> to hand this spec over to somebody else, somebody else would be in control. >> By definition. >> >> On the other hand, working on microdata-like stuff *is* in our charter, so >> right now it's not clear to me why the WG *would* pass control to a >> different Working Group. >> >> BR, Julian >> > > > Having discussions of any form in this group is becoming impossible, > because all we're doing now is waiting on each other's words, like a > cougar waits on the next sheep coming down the mountain. > > I would suggest that we all not take each other's sentences out of > context, because all we do is end up looking like petty children > indulging in playground taunts. "But he said..." "Did not!" "Did too!" > "Did not!" It's not fun, and it's embarrassing. > > We have a change proposal in process, now. All sides will be heard. I > suggest we focus on specifics, and work within the change process. > > My comment was not a suggestion, and that's obvious to anyone, but > yes, if split off, and if the group that supports Microdata does so > desire, it can end up under another charter, or group. Little > different than what's happening with other various parts that have > been split off from the HTML5 specification. And that doesn't mean it > won't have the same people involved. > > And it might actually do better. After all, we haven't shown ourselves > to be either a model of efficiency, or intra-group cooperation. > > Then again, it may not. We may want to hold on to it. Our baby, how > can we let it go? > > Who knows? Maybe in the end, HTML5 will be released by a completely > separate group, too--if the W3C and the major vendors involved in this > group decide that we're embarrassing them. > > The world if full of endless possibilities. Me, I'll see how the > Change Process goes this first time, and worry about the future after. > > Shelley > Darn typos....The world _is_ full of endless possibilities. Shelley
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