Minutes HTML WG 3 December 2009

Minutes of the 3 December 2009 HTML WG meeting are posted to
http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-html-wg-minutes.html and copied below.

  HTML Weekly Teleconference

    03 Dec 2009


See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-html-wg-irc>


    +1.831.454.aaaa, dsinger, Rich, Gregory_Rosmaita, Janina, Sam, Mike,
    cardona507, Stevef, +1.617.324.aacc, kliehm, Michael_Cooper, Julian,
    [Microsoft], Matt_May, mjs, +1.715.718.aaff, +1.715.718.aagg, li,
    Laura, Masinter


    * Topics <http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-html-wg-minutes.html#agenda>
         1. Review of due and overdue action items
         2. Review of submitted change proposals
         3. Review of Chair calls for consensus / proposals
         4. New issues this week
         5. Status of task forces
         6. Scribe for next week
         7. Other business
    * Summary of Action Items


<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-12-3: issues, action
items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports from Maciej
Stachowiak on 2009-12-02 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to
December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

<mjs> trackbot: close ACTION-130

<trackbot> ACTION-130 Review status of video codec positions closed

      Review of due and overdue action items

ACTION-130 done

<Laura> img Element Change Proposal

<Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203

ACTION-131: Change proposal sent

<trackbot> ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec notes added

<pimpbot> Title: HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203 - ESW Wiki (at

<pimpbot> Title: change proposal:modification to section the img
element from Steven Faulkner on 2009-12-03 (public-html@w3.org from
December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

sf: <summarizes>

<mjs> trackbot: close ACTION-131

<trackbot> ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec closed

ms: can close action now that proposal posted

ACTION-138 still ongoing

sf: Discussed matrix in A11Y TF just before this call

actively working on in TF

ms: timeline to completion?

sf: Today was first discussion in TF, not sure of timeline

perhaps 1 month? should coordinate with A11Y TF facilitators

<oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-html-a11y-minutes.html

<pimpbot> Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 03 Dec
2009 (at www.w3.org)

MikeS: Planning to discuss over next week in A11Y TF

could give an update next week, though it probably won't be complete then

Maciej: this has bumped week to week for months, would prefer to have a
single deadline

Gregory: Task force just starting...

Janina: Early-mid January is earliest feasible time

MikeS: January 14 2010

SteveF: much work already done, some ready for review now

Maciej: helpful to post what you have as soon as possible

know some issues in play that good to discuss

updating due date of action

ACTION-158 not complete yet

SteveF: action from TPAC, haven't gotten to yet

need extra time to work on some things, and also want to bring to A11Y TF

Maciej: deadline?

SteveF: 31 December 2010

      Review of submitted change proposals

<cardona507> i have a question

==ISSUE-4 (html-versioning)==

<cardona507> I am on mute so I will type

<cardona507> i am kind of unlclear - is <!doctype html> stll ok?

<masinter> yes

<masinter> and recommended in most situations

<cardona507> thanks larry

Maciej: change proposal makes versioning optional but not mandatory, so
yes to above question

==ISSUE-30 (longdesc)==

Maciej: Charles submitted a change proposal a while back

makes longdesc nonconforming but optional

==ISSUE-32 (table-summary)==

Maciej: Cynthia posted a proposal with a number of changes

chairs have given structural feedback, expect revision soon

==ISSUE-56 (urls-webarch)==

Maciej: Proposal to change normative references

some discussion has taken place

Larry: Suggest people join IRI mailing list to help resolve some of the

==ISSUE-76 (Microdata/RDFa)==

Maciej: Proposal was to publish separate draft

now there's a propsal to retain within HTML

there's been discussion on the mailing list

<oedipus> my phone is dying - will rejoin soon

speaker2: Was proposal to move to separate draft, or just remove

Maciej: Proposal was to move to external document but not remove altogether

==ISSUE-83 (dt-dd-semantics)==

Maciej: Proposal to not use dt/dd for <figure>

proposed a new element in place

chairs have sent structural feedback

<mjs> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html

<pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)

Maciej: above link shows status is change proposals in play

probably won't go through individually each week

just new ones going forward

Julian: What are next steps?

Maciej: chairs to review level of consensus and strength of arguments

help decide which ones to advance

Larry: What is a change proposal that proposes not doing anything?

Maciej: Originated with ones in response to editor action on a bug entry

Larry: Would there be counter-proposals for each proposal?

Maciej: We might expect this

<Julian> s/Julian/Larry/ (in the last two lines)

Larry: Is this part of the documented decision process

Maciej: <scribe missed>, but let's take questions offline

      Review of Chair calls for consensus / proposals

==ISSUE-7 (video-codecs)==

If we don't receive change proposal by today (3 Dec) will close issue
without prejudice

speaker4: There was a proposal to move video element to a separate document

Maciej: haven't yet received a formal change proposal on that

people can submit if they want, by end of today

<Laura> Change Proposal Template:

<pimpbot> Title: HTML/ChangeProposalTemplate - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)

speaker4: thought that would be a way to resolve the codec issue on a
different schedule from the rest of HTML

==ISSUE-63 (origin-req-scope)==

Maciej: due today 3 Dec, will close without prejudice if no change
proposal received

==ISSUE-76 (Microdata/RDFa) counter-proposals==

maciej: received one counter-proposal yesterday


Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec


Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec

==ISSUE-27 (rel-ownership)==

Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec

Paul Cotton has volunteered to submit one

==ISSUE-87 (attr-normalization)==

Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec

==ISSUE-88 (content-language-multiple)==

Maciej: Leif Halvard Silli has volunteered to submit a proposal by 17
Jan 2010

that's more than a month but the holidays intervene

If you care about the issues above, please take action by the deadlines

Larry: Clarify closed without prejudice?

Maciej: Will close in Tracker, and won't consider the issue a blocker
for advancement to LC

if a proposal later comes in, it can be considered

we need a clear proposal and rationale

chairs will not try to dig up old discussions

      New issues this week

Maciej: none we know of

      Status of task forces

==HTML Accessibility Task Force==

Janina: First teleconference was today

started out mostly procedural

then started scoping issues to review first

taking ARIA integration / mapping issues first

(relates to Steve's action discussed earlier)

taking 24 and 31 Dec 2009 meetings off

mailing list is active on a few issues

video sub-group is forming

issues and possible solutions were covered in a pre-meeting before TPAC

==Testing Task Force==

Kris: Mailing list active

starting a teleconference slot

planning to come back in early Jan with some preliminary activity

meeting is 8am next week

<scribe missed timezone and day of week>

<masinter> regrets next week -- during TAG meeting

      Scribe for next week

<the usual resounding silence>

      Other business

<Stevef> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

Steve: how do we hold issues open that are being actively open?

Maciej: when a change proposal comes in, move issue and associated
issues to open status

<krisk> HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call ->

<pimpbot> Title: RE: Testing Task Force Conf Call from Kris Krueger on
2009-12-03 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from December 2009) (at

<Laura> bye

    Summary of Action Items

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Michael Cooper
Web Accessibility Specialist
World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
E-mail cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org>
Information Page <http://www.w3.org/People/cooper/>

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