- From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:38:06 +0100
- To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
- Cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <55687cf80908070138rdb53b50s63899f38c783e613@mail.gmail.com>
For people who have member access there is more info here and discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-hc/1997OctDec/0025.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/1997OctDec/0077.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/1997OctDec/0088.html these are just a few examples of what appears to be an in depth discussion of data table accessibility in general and summary in particular it would appear that much of the discussion went on not on the html list but on the related wai list. Some emails also allude to further telephone discussions around this topic. I think if you read this material it clearly puts to bed the assertion that the origin of the summary is due to weak reasoning. regards stevef 2009/8/7 Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> > Like Mark Pilgrim, I tried to find a record of how the summary attribute > became part of HTML 4.0 but found nothing. ( > http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20090804#l-190) > > The attribute first showed up in public in: > http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-html40-970917/struct/tables.html#h-12.1.1 > > It says: 'Note. A new attribute for the table summary is needed because the > caption for visual users is generally insufficient. The title attribute is > inappropriate because browsers render this as a "tool tip" which is limited > to a single line of text. In some user agents, long lines are clipped.' If > title attribute clipping is the whole reason why the summary attribute > exists, it seems like an awfully weak reason. It's like all the requests for > new CSS features because browser X implements an existing CSS feature badly. > > Does anyone who was there at the time remember what happened? > > Summary wasn't in the previous draft from July 1997: > http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-html40-970708/struct/tables.html#h-7.5.1.1 > > People with Member access may be interested in inspecting > http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/9708/WD-html40-970808/struct/tables.html and > http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/9708/issues.html also. > > -- > Henri Sivonen > hsivonen@iki.fi > http://hsivonen.iki.fi/ > > > > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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