- From: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:08:03 -0500
- To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
- Cc: Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Ian Hickson<ian@hixie.ch> wrote: > On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Jeff Schiller wrote: >> >> What is being stated is that there is information pertaining to a table >> that would be beneficial to non-sighted users but redundant (and >> possibly distracting?) for sighted users. Things like merged >> columns/rows, quick synopsis of the 'axis' of a table, etc. Do you >> disagree with this? > > I think it is possible that such information could be constructed, but I > think that in practice even accessibility experts are unable to actually > draw the line between what fits that bill and what doesn't, and any > feature that relies on average authors being able to make that > determination is fundamentally too complicated to use, and we should not > include it in the language. > > >> > In practice, strictly structural data can be gleaned by navigating the >> > table (if you watch usability studies if users with ATs reading >> > tables, they quickly get a feel of the table by navigating it, without >> > the need for a descripion of the table structure). >> >> It sounds like you disagree with the idea that spatial/structural >> information about a table is useful for non-sighted users because you >> watched some usability studies. Please correct my assessment. > > I think the information is useful, but I don't think in practice it needs > to be included explicitly, because the information will, based on > usability studies I have seen, be derived by the user from the table > structure itself. > This is the first I've heard you refer to usability studies. Can you provide a link to these studies? > -- > Ian Hickson U+1047E )\._.,--....,'``. fL > http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. > Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' > > Shelley
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