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Re: Why authors are using Transitional (and target="_blank")

From: Marghanita da Cruz <marghanita@ramin.com.au>
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:28:29 +1100
Message-ID: <47BE091D.7050101@ramin.com.au>
To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
CC: Ben 'Cerbera' Millard <cerbera@projectcerbera.com>, HTMLWG <public-html@w3.org>

It would seem to me, that this is where we should turn to agreed design 
principles for guidance.

-Supporting existing Content
-Degrade Gracefully

It could be non-conforming, for the valid reasons put forward, but we could 
discuss how it should degrade.

Henri Sivonen wrote:
> On Feb 18, 2008, at 15:29, Ben 'Cerbera' Millard wrote:
>> Henri Sivonen wrote:
>>> When the easily detectable way of doing something that you don't want 
>>> authors to do but they want to do *anyway* is conforming and 
>>> supported by browsers by default, it is easier for you to take 
>>> counter-measures than it would be if the authors used something less 
>>> easy to detect and counter (such as window.open()).
>> Consider this: all the top browsers start to ignore it by default. 
>> There is much rejoicing among users.
> That's why I said "supported by browsers by default". Where "supported" 
> means opening in a new window.
>> But then what? Authors will use another method. They are paid to 
>> achieve the effect clients and colleagues require of them, however 
>> misguided and however frequently research proves it so.
> Yes, but authors in general only do what is needed to achieve the client 
> requirements when the browsers are set to defaults. It's not 
> cost-effective (or necessary from a client relationship point of view) 
> for authors to engage in an arms race with features that require an 
> affirmative opt-in from the user.
>> The argument against new windows for normal navigation may be won long 
>> before HTML5 gets near to completion. The commonality of tabbed 
>> browsing has made it much easier, in my experience. So making 
>> target="_blank" non-conforming could be the right thing to do, 
>> ultimately.
> Browsers may open "new windows" as new tabs instead.
> --Henri Sivonen
> hsivonen@iki.fi
> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/

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