- From: Marghanita da Cruz <marghanita@ramin.com.au>
- Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:28:29 +1100
- To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
- CC: Ben 'Cerbera' Millard <cerbera@projectcerbera.com>, HTMLWG <public-html@w3.org>
It would seem to me, that this is where we should turn to agreed design principles for guidance. -Supporting existing Content -Degrade Gracefully It could be non-conforming, for the valid reasons put forward, but we could discuss how it should degrade. Marghanita Henri Sivonen wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2008, at 15:29, Ben 'Cerbera' Millard wrote: > >> Henri Sivonen wrote: >>> When the easily detectable way of doing something that you don't want >>> authors to do but they want to do *anyway* is conforming and >>> supported by browsers by default, it is easier for you to take >>> counter-measures than it would be if the authors used something less >>> easy to detect and counter (such as window.open()). >> >> Consider this: all the top browsers start to ignore it by default. >> There is much rejoicing among users. > > That's why I said "supported by browsers by default". Where "supported" > means opening in a new window. > >> But then what? Authors will use another method. They are paid to >> achieve the effect clients and colleagues require of them, however >> misguided and however frequently research proves it so. > > Yes, but authors in general only do what is needed to achieve the client > requirements when the browsers are set to defaults. It's not > cost-effective (or necessary from a client relationship point of view) > for authors to engage in an arms race with features that require an > affirmative opt-in from the user. > >> The argument against new windows for normal navigation may be won long >> before HTML5 gets near to completion. The commonality of tabbed >> browsing has made it much easier, in my experience. So making >> target="_blank" non-conforming could be the right thing to do, >> ultimately. > > Browsers may open "new windows" as new tabs instead. > > --Henri Sivonen > hsivonen@iki.fi > http://hsivonen.iki.fi/ > > > > -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202
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