- From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:32:28 -0400
- To: public-html@w3.org
Hi, Hallvord-
Hallvord R. M. Steen wrote (on 4/3/08 8:00 AM):
>
> Certainly, but for a nugget of implementor experience to back up what
> Philip is saying: Opera at some point had some "support" for xmlns in
> text/html. It was removed because it broke pages when random sections or
> elements were no longer considered HTML markup. (I know without offering
> more hard facts like what exactly we "supported", how many pages we
> noticed breaking this is semi-anectdotal - I could look up those bugs if
> required).
Perhaps not required, but it would be very nice. Hixie might consider
it required, as he is unconvinced that we can usefully and safely use
@xmlns.
> So we really can't imply <ext> when we see some xmlns - or at least not
> without extra magic that would "fall back" to un-implying <ext> if the
> "unknown" content looked like HTML after all (naturally, nobody wants to
> go down this route).
Unsurprisingly, a known namespace declaration that matches the known
root element is the clearest way forward for this.
root: <svg>, namespace: "http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"
root: <math>, namespace: "http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML"
Should we consider RDF on this short list? Metadata is also core
functionality, in addition to text, math, and graphics.
I don't *like* implied elements (they would be confusing to even
moderately sophisticated authors when walking the tree), but I don't
have strong objections to Erik's idea that the following 2 snippets
would both result in the same DOM tree:
1) Explicit:
<p>stuff
<ext>
<fallback></fallback>
<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">
<circle />
</svg>
</ext>
2) Implied:
<p>stuff
<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">
<circle />
</svg>
Tree:
|P
|EXT
|FALLBACK
|svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"
|circle
Two advantages to explicitly using <ext>, however:
* Compatible with Henri's general solution, but with the added benefit
of the ability to supply a rich fallback.
* Incredibly unlikely to break any content... there may be content out
there like #2, but unlikely to be any like #1; you could think of the
<ext> as a sort of "early warning" to browsers that a known "insertion
mode" is about to follow.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
Received on Thursday, 3 April 2008 14:33:05 UTC