- From: Steve Faulkner <sfaulkner@paciellogroup.com>
- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:19:46 +0100
- To: "Sander Tekelenburg" <st@isoc.nl>
- Cc: public-html@w3.org, wai-xtech@w3.org
- Message-ID: <55687cf80709030719wd548ef9y88e6a938cf596f4f@mail.gmail.com>
Sander wrote: >(Plus, it >seems confusing to me that authors need to use @title differently in one >specific situation. The title also has a specific machine readable use for the link element. "The title <http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title>attribute has an additional role when used with the LINK <http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#edef-LINK> element to designate an external style sheet.<http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/styles.html#style-external>Please consult the section on links and style sheets <http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#linksandss>for details." http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title >But all these seem to be about how @title can be used to guess at >missing information. The WAI - ARIA use of the @title does not fit into your assertion. On 03/09/07, Sander Tekelenburg <st@isoc.nl> wrote: > > > At 09:46 +0100 UTC, on 2007-09-03, Steve Faulkner wrote: > > > sander wrote: > > > >>[... HTML 4.01:] "inspired by concerns for accessibility" is > >>extremely vague. So I still don't see what exactly @title has to do with > >>accessibility. > > > > a few instances: > > > > 1.Use of the title attribute on frames to describe the purpose of the > >frames is a WCAG 1.0 checkpoint. > > OK, I can see how that might be useful. But the HTML spec should be clear > about this then. It needs to inform authors that @title on frames has a > special purpose, so that they can know how to use it properly. (Plus, it > seems confusing to me that authors need to use @title differently in one > specific situation. Something like @summary for frames might provide more > consistency.) > > > 2. MSAA uses the title attribute value for the name property on images, > >form controls (if the control does not have a text label programmatically > >associated with it) > > 3. The WAI - ARIA spec uses the the title attribute for the nameref > >property; [...] > > > > 4. screen readers such as jaws or window eyes make use of the title > >attribute when images and form controls do not have alt text or > >programmatically associated text labels. > > Understood. But all these seem to be about how @title can be used to guess > at > missing information. Similar to browsers' "ESP engines" (guessing what > authors meant with their invalid HTML). They don't change the meaning of > @title. We should not want authors to author for specific UAs. > > > -- > Sander Tekelenburg > The Web Repair Initiative: <http://webrepair.org/> > > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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