Re: Justification for the cite attribute on ins&del

ps: this post was distracted by @cite in general...
I have no particular comments on its use with ins/del. It does seem
esoteric, but may be useful in a CMS or within a drafting process but
I've not seen it used. I don't mind leaving it in HTML5 and not
requiring browsers to do anything with it (leave it for niche UAs to
implement).


On 10/12/07, Ben Boyle <benjamins.boyle@gmail.com> wrote:
> There's support for semantics extraction. W3C have a proof of concept tool:
> http://www.w3.org/2003/12/semantic-extractor.html
>
> Where and when this might be useful, I'm not going to debate. Look to
> the fields of academia, research, libraries, publications, ... the
> places where citations are most relevant, for real supporting
> evidence. I don't think we geeks[1] qualify to make judgements about
> the usefulness/relevance of citations and the @cite attribute.
>
> I just had a quick search of mozilla add-ons and found "OpenURL Referrer"
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4150
> I don't know if it uses @cite, but it conceivably could. I think it
> fits the bill for a specialist, niche, semantics extractor (or "use
> case" in html5 parlance).
>
> cheers
> Ben
>
> [1] I use the term "geek" affectionately to remind all that as a group
> we appear to have a bit of a bias towards our industry. Compare
> support for semantics extraction with code@type. I just don't think we
> represent the entire web user community at all comprehensively. Much
> of HTML is abstract enough that this not an issue. Occasional reminder
> can't hurt (much).
>
> HTML5 is gonna be great anyway of course. Go us!
>
>
> On 10/12/07, Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> wrote:
> >
> > On Oct 11, 2007, at 20:24, Chris Wilson wrote:
> >
> > > Henri, I think that depends on your definition of a UA.
> >
> > Yeah, but by default, it is reasonable to expect HTML 5 requirements
> > for UAs in general to apply to browsers.
> >
> > > My expectation (as a browser developer) has always been that an
> > > accessibility tool would enable the following of such a link;
> > > exposing the link to the AT is our responsibility in the browser.
> > [and later]
> > > Whoops!
> > >
> > > Replace "AT" with "editing system".
> >
> > Are there actual editing systems that use HTML as their file format,
> > store reasons for changes in external files and point to them using
> > the cite attribute?
> >
> > Earlier today, I was notified of markup that used the cite attribute
> > and had traits that suggested it was generated by Microsoft Office.
> > However, that markup didn't use the cite attribute to point a
> > resource explaining the change. Instead, the attribute had been
> > twisted to store the identity of the maker of the change by
> > prepending mailto: to what looked like a userid.
> >
> > > Was your [2] reference intended to be a separate issue, or were you
> > > drawing an analogy?
> >
> > I was pointing out a message that went even further and questioned
> > the <ins> and <del> elements themselves instead of questioning an
> > attribute on those elements.
> >
> > > [2] http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/misc/cgi/issues.cgi/message/%
> > > 3C44F4892E.9030404%40cam.ac.uk%3E
> >
> > --
> > Henri Sivonen
> > hsivonen@iki.fi
> > http://hsivonen.iki.fi/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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