- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:30:46 -0400
- To: public-html@w3.org
- Cc: Robert Burns <rob@robburns.com>, Andrew Sidwell <takkaria@gmail.com>
robert burns wrote, quote: > As an example, think of an <img> that has a @longdesc attached > to it. According to current recommendations, the @alt attribute > is still required. Its not that we require @alt or @longdesc. > Rather we require @alt even if there is a @longdesc value. Is > that simply an oversight? Or have these attributes evolved to > serve distinct purposes: distinct purposes worth using for > other embedded content [WINDOWS-1252?]— for other element types? unquote @alt and @longdesc provide distinct purposes: 1. alt text enables the user who -- for whatever reason -- cannot process images (text-only browser, for example); often the alt text is not an exact duplication of the graphic (say a mailbox) but a description of what the iconic link will do when activated (in the case of the mailbox example, i would never encourage anyone to use alt="mailbox" but rather, alt="Send Email to Webmaster" 2. the purpose of long description is to provide an equivalent user experience if a user cannot -- for whatever reason -- cannot process the image, especially when that image is part of the illustrative content of a page; longdescriptions can be brief and to the point (the icon shows the word Valid XHTML with a red check-mark next to it, indicating that it has passed validation) -- there is no law that says someone must read the entire contents of the longdesc -- they are free to read what portion of the longdesc they find most germane, which is why verbosity in longdesc isn't a problem, in as much as the reader can either decide to get more granular information by listening to/reading/feeling the entire longdesc, or can simply stop listening and return to the document in which the longdesced image is located, if the user feels that the portion of the long description heard/read/felt is sufficient, then he or she is free to return to the document instance in which the image being described is located. so, yes, ALT and LONGDESC serve 2 distinct purposes; alt needs to be required in order to avoid perceptual black holes; however, i wouldn't feel bound to provide a longdesc for the conformance logo, as its meaning is "this page is valid -- go ahead, check for yourself" -- of course, on the pages that the validity icons are archived, each MUST have a longdesc describing the icon, so that the page author can make an informed decision about which icon to use... i do strongly agree with robert burns, however, on the need for making the mechanics of equivalent text uniform across all media types, which would lead not only to a richer user experience, but which lowers the burden on the page author and increases the chances that the exposition of equivalent content will be supported by user agents, in a manner specified by the user... just my 2 cents (american), gregory. ------------------------------------------------------------------- CYNIC, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision. -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita, oedipus@hicom.net or gregory@ubats.org UBATS - United Blind Advocates for Talking Signs: http://ubats.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------
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