- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:30:46 -0400
- To: public-html@w3.org
- Cc: Robert Burns <rob@robburns.com>, Andrew Sidwell <takkaria@gmail.com>
robert burns wrote, quote:
> As an example, think of an <img> that has a @longdesc attached
> to it. According to current recommendations, the @alt attribute
> is still required. Its not that we require @alt or @longdesc.
> Rather we require @alt even if there is a @longdesc value. Is
> that simply an oversight? Or have these attributes evolved to
> serve distinct purposes: distinct purposes worth using for
> other embedded content [WINDOWS-1252?]— for other element types?
unquote
@alt and @longdesc provide distinct purposes:
1. alt text enables the user who -- for whatever reason -- cannot
process images (text-only browser, for example); often the alt
text is not an exact duplication of the graphic (say a mailbox)
but a description of what the iconic link will do when activated
(in the case of the mailbox example, i would never encourage
anyone to use alt="mailbox" but rather, alt="Send Email to Webmaster"
2. the purpose of long description is to provide an equivalent
user experience if a user cannot -- for whatever reason -- cannot
process the image, especially when that image is part of the
illustrative content of a page; longdescriptions can be brief
and to the point (the icon shows the word Valid XHTML with a
red check-mark next to it, indicating that it has passed
validation) -- there is no law that says someone must read the
entire contents of the longdesc -- they are free to read what
portion of the longdesc they find most germane, which is why
verbosity in longdesc isn't a problem, in as much as the reader
can either decide to get more granular information by listening
to/reading/feeling the entire longdesc, or can simply stop
listening and return to the document in which the longdesced
image is located, if the user feels that the portion of the
long description heard/read/felt is sufficient, then he or she
is free to return to the document instance in which the image
being described is located.
so, yes, ALT and LONGDESC serve 2 distinct purposes; alt needs
to be required in order to avoid perceptual black holes; however,
i wouldn't feel bound to provide a longdesc for the conformance
logo, as its meaning is "this page is valid -- go ahead, check
for yourself" -- of course, on the pages that the validity icons
are archived, each MUST have a longdesc describing the icon, so
that the page author can make an informed decision about which
icon to use...
i do strongly agree with robert burns, however, on the need for
making the mechanics of equivalent text uniform across all media
types, which would lead not only to a richer user experience, but
which lowers the burden on the page author and increases the
chances that the exposition of equivalent content will be supported
by user agents, in a manner specified by the user...
just my 2 cents (american),
gregory.
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