- From: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>
- Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:14:20 +0200
- To: "Maciej Stachowiak" <mjs@apple.com>
- Cc: "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:22:50 +0200, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote: > On Jul 3, 2007, at 4:08 AM, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: > >> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:30:20 +0200, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> >>> It also seems that accesskey would not work very well on mobile >>> devices, which often have limited keyboards. >> >> The WAP forum (now OMA) obviously disagreed with you, since on WAP >> browsers accesskey (although restricted to numbers 1-9) is widely >> interoperable. > > 1) That's obviously not interoperable with the use of accesskey in > general web content (as opposed to waled garden "mobile web" content), > since the few real sites that use accesskey do not restrict themselves > to 1-9. Although if they did, it might be easier to reserve keybindings > for them... (Actually, a substantial proportion of the sites that do use accesskey (e.g. many UK government and quango sites) use numbers as a strategy to workaround the Mozilla and IE implementations that just use alt+key - since numbers are less likely to break user interface conventions. Common advice given is to use numbers - both for mobile compatibility and dealing with these implementations. But this is not necessary with the proposed design). > 2) How does this work on phones that have a full alphabetic keyboard, > but where you have to hold down a special numeric modifier to type > numbers in any context but the dialer? (For instance, my Nokia e61). And > does an unmodified 1-9 still act as a rapid access key when typing into > a text field on such a phone? See the implementation notes[1]. > 3) How does work on phones that are all touchscreen and don't even show > an onscreen keyboard most of the time? Ditto. > High-end phones are usually in categories 2 and 3, so it sounds like the > types of phones capable of rendering real web content well haven't been > considered in this design. (Actually, except in Japan and Korea high-end phones are a small proportion of web browsing (and of the market in general) compared to basic phones that run something like Opera mini. And "usually" is overstating the case - "more commonly" might be more like it.) The design proposed allows for a screen-based navigation that doesn't require any keys at all, just an activation gesture. Furthermore even this is listed as a *should*. In what way did this not take such devices into account? [1] http://www.w3.org/mid/op.tuv8d7fvwxe0ny@pc052.coreteam.oslo.opera.com cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile, Opera Software: Standards Group hablo español - je parle français - jeg lærer norsk chaals@opera.com Catch up: Speed Dial http://opera.com
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