- From: Michael(tm) Smith <mike@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:12:38 +0900
- To: public-html@w3.org
- Message-ID: <20071211011236.GO5916@sideshowbarker>
[re-sending to public-html so tracker will catch actions]
http://www.w3.org/2007/12/07-html-wg-minutes.html
Present
ChrisWilson, DaveSinger, GregoryRosmaita, MikeSmith,
MonikaTrebo
Regrets
Anne van Kesteren
Chair
ChrisWilson
Scribe
MikeSmith
* Topics
1. Review of open issues and actions
* Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Review of open issues and actions
ACTION-16?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-16 -- Dan Connolly to put question in issue-15:
does the working group want to do <canvas> -- due 2007-11-29 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/16
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/16
<ChrisWilson> TrackbotNG, close Action-16
<ChrisWilson> trackbot-ng, close action-16
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-16 put question in issue-15: does the working
group want to do <canvas> closed
<ChrisWilson> thanks
ACTION-24?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-24 -- Gregory Rosmaita to suggest accessibility
improvement for "Big issue" marker -- due 2007-11-30 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/24
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/24
[skipping ACTION-24 for now until OedipusWrecked shows up]
ACTION-25?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-25 -- Dan Connolly to review offline-webapps
(proxy for Sam Ruby) -- due 2007-11-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/25
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/25
ChrisWilson: Sam completed his review. So this action is done.
<ChrisWilson> trackbot-ng, close action-25
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-25 review offline-webapps (proxy for Sam Ruby)
closed
<ChrisWilson> extending Action-11 on Dan until next week.
ACTION-11?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-11 -- Dan Connolly to show how <div
aria="something"> works with URI based extensibility -- due
2007-12-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/11
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/11
[note that I think DanC did spend some time yesterday on ACTION-11
but not sure what has been done]
<ChrisWilson> ACTION-27?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-27 -- Dan Connolly to draft a Memorandum of
Understanding (MoU) with microformats.org regarding @rel values --
due 2007-12-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/27
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/27
<ChrisWilson> extending...
I know nothing of status on that issue.
<dsinger> help. can someone mute their microphone when they are next
to the washing machine?
<ChrisWilson> action-31?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-31 -- Dan Connolly to see that Singer's summary
makes it to the SJC/Dec W3C video workshop, possibly by confirming
Singer's attendance -- due 2007-12-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/31
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/31
dsinger: I won't be at the video workshop, will be in Japan, other
Apple rep will be there.
dsinger: I sent info to Philippe LH and to Rigo of W3C
<ChrisWilson> ACTION-32?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-32 -- Michael(tm) Smith to change the product
name of "HTML 5 authoring guidelines" in the tracker to something
else, eventually -- due 2007-12-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/32
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/32
<ChrisWilson> was there a really short push to change the name in
the product?
<ChrisWilson> (I mean in the issue tracker, not in the document
name)
ChrisWilson, no not high priority
<ChrisWilson> I'm looking at the issues discussed over the last week
to see if there's anything high-pri
<ChrisWilson> Other than ACTION-24, assigned to Gregory, I think
we're done with review for the day.
ISSUE-24?
<trackbot-ng> ISSUE-24 -- Delete "should support Ogg" clause before
publishing FPWD? -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/24
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/24
dsinger: there is general consensus that we should ideally have a
recommended format, but don't have consensus on what... so better to
have a placeholder for now
<ChrisWilson> I'm happy to put Dave's placeholder into the spec for
now.
ChrisWilson: I agree we have not reached a consensus on this
dsinger: we need W3C staff (PLH and Rigo) to advise on how to move
forward with this
<ChrisWilson> Created action 39 to track
ACTION-39?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-39 -- Dan Connolly to chairs to discuss action
on video/audo codec and container with Philippe et al post the video
workshop -- due 2007-12-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/39
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/39
<ChrisWilson> I think we've reached consensus that the placeholder
for video/audio should be used until we reach consensus,
post-workshop.
<oedipus> i just got back to the laptop -- let me find the phone
<Lachy> oedipus, regarding the accessibility of the Big Issue
markers, your mail talked about the accessibility of CSS generated
contnet. However, the Big Issue markers are inserted into the page
with JavaScript, so screen readers should be able to read them
correctly
<Zakim> oedipus, you wanted to say re: ACTION-24 that he was
surprised by hixie's reply about editors' drafts not reflecting
changes from draft to draft using INS and DEL -- aren't
oedipus - no, editor's drafts do not necessarily need to use INS and
DEL or anything else to show changes
oedipus: normal issues an Big Issue are styled the same
<dsinger> but I think that Ian no longer knows what the semantic
difference is either...
oedipus: that's the problem
<Lachy> The specific changes to the spec can be monitered using SVN.
Using <ins> and <del> on a draft that changes so much is way too
much work
<dsinger> we'd need a definition of what makes an issue "big" ...
and ...
<Lachy> oedipus, normal issues and big issues are actually styled
differently
<dsinger> we'd need to go through all the issues and make sure that
they are all correctly classified
<Lachy> they just share some common styles
<Hixie> i'm here
<Hixie> wassup
Hixie - please see comments from oedipus above
<ChrisWilson> we're discussing INS/DEL
<ChrisWilson> and comment from Lachy
<Hixie> the editor's drafts just happen every time i generate the
spec, which can be multiple times a day... i'm not sure what use the
ins/del markup would be
<Hixie> (when would i remove them?)
<ChrisWilson> WDs?
<Hixie> there's a number of ways of tracking changes to the spec,
including diff e-mails, subversion and cvs logs and diffs, twitter
messages for non-editorial changes, and a web page that lets you
filter the changes to just show what matters to you
<Hixie> ChrisWilson: well since we haven't had a single WD yet
presumably that would be one big <ins> element covering the whole
spec
<Hixie> ChrisWilson: i'm quite happy for us to generate html-based
diffs between WDs if we publish frequent WDs, which i agree we
should
<hober> All of those existing mechanisms have the advantage that
they don't require Hixie's editing behavior to radically change.
<hober> Updating ins/dels on each edit adds significant editing
overhead for what benefit, given the existing tools?
<Hixie> well if i were to add ins/del markup, i certainly wouldn't
do it manually. i'd have to find some sort of tool to do it
automatically.
<hober> s/find/write/, most likely
<Hixie> i don't have the bandwidth to write a diffing tool :-(
oedipus: the current mechanisms for following changes to the spec
need to be linked to more prominently on the WG home page
<Hixie> but i'd happily use whatever tool people provided
<Hixie> (the same way as i happily embedded the spec splitter tool
and the spec to pdf convertor tool and the pubrules tool into my
pipeline)
<Hixie> so much for that
<Hixie> :-/
<scribe> ACTION: Michael(tm) to add links on HTML WG to mechanism
for watching changes to the HTML5 spec [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/12/07-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-40 - Add links on HTML WG to mechanism
for watching changes to the HTML5 spec [on Michael(tm) Smith - due
2007-12-14].
any additional business for today's call?
<Philip> http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/diff/ etc?
http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/diff/
<ChrisWilson> hmm. Yeah, that might work, I suppose.
<Hixie> try it
<Hixie> :-)
<ChrisWilson> (I was asking for Gregory, not for me)
oedipus: PF / Al Gilman will plan to take "aria-" proposal to
Hypertext CG
... that is consensus of PF WG
... Jim Allen wanted me to remind that HTML WG that since what they
do is UA conformance, they would like to assist in any way possible
with UA conformance section of HTML5 spec
... that is UAWG
<Hixie> (actually if anyone does want me to add some sort of html
diffing to the pipeline, what would be really useful would be if
they could provide me with a web service where i could upload two
html files and get back an html file with the diffs)
Hixie - we now have such a tool
will get the URL for you
<Hixie> (that's basically how the pubrules and spec splitting things
happen -- i have a web service on a separate computer on the
internet that takes those two files and returns the files to upload)
<Hixie> MikeSmith: cool
oedipus: UAWG realizes it needs to work to get their concerns
addressed by trying whenever possible to get accessibility
features/considerations into core specs
<ChrisWilson> other issues/topics?
<ChrisWilson> move to adjourn?
<ChrisWilson> thanks all
[meeting adjourned]
<ChrisWilson> adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Michael(tm) to add links on HTML WG to mechanism for
watching changes to the HTML5 spec [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/12/07-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
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