- From: Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>
- Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:24:21 -0800
- To: public-html-wg-announce@w3.org
- Cc: public-html@w3.org
Paul wrote:
> The HTML Working Group will have its usual weekly teleconference on
> 2011-12-01 for up to 60 minutes from 17:00Z to 18:00Z.
The minutes from this teleconference are available in HTML here:
http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-html-wg-minutes.html
or in plain text below.
HTML Weekly Teleconference
01 Dec 2011
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-html-wg-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
rubys
Scribe
hober
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]ACTION items due by Thursday, December 1
2. [5]New Issues This Week
3. [6]Items Closed Last Week
4. [7]Items Closing This Week
5. [8]Items Closing Next Week
6. [9]New Calls this week
7. [10]New Surveys this week
8. [11]Decisions this week
9. [12]Other Business
10. [13]scribe for next meeting
11. [14]Adjournment
* [15]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 01 December 2011
<scribe> ScribeNick: hober
ACTION items due by Thursday, December 1
ACTION-207?
<trackbot> ACTION-207 -- Paul Cotton to confirm that change proposal
for av_param is still active -- due 2011-12-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/207
[16] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/207
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-207: Confirm that change proposal for
av_param is still active - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: paul not able to make the call today
... will push the action back a week
ACTION-208?
<trackbot> ACTION-208 -- Michael[tm] Smith to sync up with Peter St.
Andre on URL processing draft and report back in two weeks -- due
2011-12-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/208
[17] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/208
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-208: Sync up with Peter St. Andre on URL
processing draft and report back in two weeks - HTML Weekly Tracker
(at www.w3.org)
<rubys>
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0194.htm
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[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0194.html
<pimpbot> Title: "How Browsers Process URLs" aka "URL processing
spec": HTML WG deliverable or I18N WG deliverable? from Michael[tm]
Smith on 2011-11-21 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at
lists.w3.org)
<MFoladare> MFoladare is 7323681000 from AT&T
rubys: MikeSmith not on call, public status update linked above
... we'll close this action
New Issues This Week
ISSUE-172?
<trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element --
raised
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
[19] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML
Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: was raised prematurely, re-resolved and raised again
ISSUE-182?
<trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes
inaccessible content -- raised
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
[20] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-182: Advice in spec about annotations
promotes inaccessible content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-183?
<trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element --
open
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
[21] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-183: Enhance and simplify the time element -
HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-184?
<trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
[22] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-184: Add a data element - HTML Weekly Tracker
(at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-185?
<trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
[23] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-185: Drop the pubdate attribute - HTML Weekly
Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: same underlying bug being pursused as three different issues
Items Closed Last Week
ISSUE-174?
<trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link>
semantics -- open
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
[24] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and
semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: call for counter proposals closed
ISSUE-181?
<trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation --
open
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
[25] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link
relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: got one proposal
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0192.htm
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[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0192.html
<pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal for ISSUE-181, was: ISSUE-181:
remove-sidebar - Chairs Solicit Proposals from Julian Reschke on
2011-11-20 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
Items Closing This Week
ISSUE-179?
<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or
equivalent) -- open
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
[27] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or
equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: Change Proposals due by today
... related to ACTION-207
<glenn> nothing new from me (179)
Items Closing Next Week
ISSUE-177?
<trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be
given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
[28] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be
given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
www.w3.org)
ISSUE-180?
<trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox --
open
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
[29] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-180: Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -
HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due for both of them by Dec 10
New Calls this week
ISSUE-133?
<trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a
modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
<trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
[30] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to
indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly
Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: Call for Consensus closes Dec 7
... we have an updated CP that it looks like we'll have consensus on
ISSUE-172?
<trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element --
raised
<trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
[31] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML
Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: Call for Change Proposals closes Jan 7
... additional time given due to holidays
ISSUE-174?
<trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link>
semantics -- open
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
[32] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and
semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: Call for Consensus closes Dec 7
ISSUE-181?
<trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation --
open
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
[33] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link
relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: Call for Counter or Alternate Change Proposals closes Jan 7
ISSUE-182?
<trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes
inaccessible content -- raised
<trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
[34] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-182: Advice in spec about annotations
promotes inaccessible content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: Call for Proposals closes Jan 7
ISSUE-183?
<trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element --
open
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
[35] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-183: Enhance and simplify the time element -
HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-184?
<trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
[36] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-184: Add a data element - HTML Weekly Tracker
(at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-185?
<trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
<trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
[37] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-185: Drop the pubdate attribute - HTML Weekly
Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: Call for Proposals on all three closes Jan 7
<tantek> what was the feedback?
rubys: we have proposals on all three, feedback has been posted for
them
... feedback was posted on the list
... links to feedback are in the agenda
<tantek> thanks hober
New Surveys this week
rubys: there are none
Decisions this week
rubys: there are none
Other Business
Open Web Platform Weekly Summary (2011-11-14 to 2011-11-20)
[38]http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-20.html
[38] http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-20.html
<pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-14 -
2011-11-20 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
<rubys> [39]http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-21.html
[39] http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-21.html
<pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-21 -
2011-11-28 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
rubys: Dec meeting schedule
... no meeting on dec 29th
... otherwise dec. weekly meetings will proceed as normal
ack Julian:
Julian: do we have an update about the status of the html wg /
whatwg specs being out of sync?
rubys: we are actively working it
... chairs are meeting tomorrow (friday) on this
... jeff jaffe is aware of this
... we're looking at 9 separate ways to deal with this
... we don't have a resolution yet, but it is a priority for us to
deal with
... any other other business?
tantek: looking at 3 <time>-related issues mentioned
... fourth issue didn't get recorded
<tantek>
[40]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0186.htm
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[40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0186.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes
for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1) from Tantek Çelik on 2011-11-19
(public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
tantek: sam had noted the enhancements hixie made to <time> were
beyond the original proposal
<tantek> in short:
<tantek> 4. Enhance the time element to fully represent the date
time types
<tantek> that the input element can capture. Most of these are also
covered by
<tantek> issue 1, with the exception of year-week only dates and
thus this is a
<tantek> delta issue from that issue with a corresponding delta
change
<tantek> proposal:
<tantek> [41]http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/time_input_match
[41] http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/time_input_match
<pimpbot> Title: User:Tantekelik/time input match - W3C Wiki (at
www.w3.org)
rubys: happy to include this in the first issue, or as a new issue
tantek: fewer issues are better
... talked about this at f2f
... i'd prefer to keep this separate, since the first issue got at
least rough consensus at the f2f
rubys: we did get pushback on the list from people not at the f2f
tantek: on that specific issue (year-week)
rubys: not sure
tantek: the pushback i saw on-list was primarily related to
pubdate="" and <data>
rubys: i'll get back to you
<Zakim> tantek, you wanted to mention 4th issue related to time
scribe for next meeting
rubys: any volunteers?
Adjournment
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