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RE: choice of javascript DOM methods suitable for use in tests

From: Kris Krueger <krisk@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 05:36:06 +0000
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, David Carlisle <davidc@nag.co.uk>
CC: "public-html-testsuite@w3.org" <public-html-testsuite@w3.org>
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This is a spec bug and is not the first time this has come up on the list...
If we actually want to achieve interop (which we should from my point of view as the task force leader) the HTML5 spec needs to be changed to be more crisp on the rendering conformance requirements.

I'd really like to hear various points of view from folks on how the spec should potentially be updated to achieve interoperability.

-Kris

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From: public-html-testsuite-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-testsuite-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Ian Hickson
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 2:10 PM
To: David Carlisle
Cc: public-html-testsuite@w3.org
Subject: Re: choice of javascript DOM methods suitable for use in tests

On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, David Carlisle wrote:
> On 29/11/2010 18:14, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > Which is to say, for the purposes of the test suite I would just 
> > treat the "expected to" terminology in the rendering section as 
> > having the strength of RFC2119 MUST statements
> 
> yes sure, but I'd still think it useful that the eventual organisation 
> of the testsuite means it's easy for (say) an html5 parser 
> implementation to easily distinguish which tests apply to such non 
> rendering application,

Agreed.


> and more particularly for this thread, what's the feeling about mathml 
> and svg tests? The most agressively minimalist reading of the html5 
> spec is that they should be parsed but don't need to be rendered.
> which is fine, but not particularly useful to an end user.

The intent of the spec is to not override any requirements in the SVG or MathML specs, so any requirements that those specifications have still apply. I don't recall off-hand if MathML has any specific requirements that apply to data analysis tools but not Web browsers (or vice versa). In HTML, the parser requirements explicitly apply to a number of conformance classes (like data mining tools) that are exempt from the rendering and user interactivity requirements.

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