- From: Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>
- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:55:05 +0000
- To: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "public-html-media@w3.org" <public-html-media@w3.org>
Minutes -> http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-html-media-minutes.html - DRAFT - HTML Media Task Force Teleconference 06 Aug 2013 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Aug/0005.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-html-media-irc Attendees Present pladd, glenn, +1.303.661.aaaa, davide, +1.858.357.aabb, ddorwin, adrianba, johnsim, [Microsoft], Kevin_Kershaw, pal, niels_thorwirth Regrets Chair glenn Scribe Adrian Bateman Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe 2. [6]Previous meeting minutes 3. [7]Review of action items and issues 4. [8]EME status and bugs 5. [9]Bug 20944 - EME should do more to encourage/ensure CDM-level interop 6. [10]Bug 20965 - EME results in a loss of control over security and privacy. 7. [11]Bug 20966 - EME design trivializes the demanded loss of control of security and privacy demanded. 8. [12]Bug 21854 - Define MediaKeySession life cycle states and/or events 9. [13]Bug 21855 - Avoid network traffic and duplicate sessions for the same key(s) 10. [14]Bug 17673 - Define Initialization Data for implementations that choose to support the ISO Base Media File Format 11. [15]Bug 17750 - Define the behavior MediaKeySession close() and clearing the keys attribute 12. [16]Bug 18515 - Provide more details on behavior of the media element when the key for an encrypted block is not available 13. [17]Bug 21869 - Need clarity on stored keys for CDMs 14. [18]Other bugs for discussion 15. [19]Any other business 16. [20]Adjournment * [21]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 06 August 2013 <ddorwin> I can't talk much today. <glenn> adrian, are you on the call? <glenn> scribenick: adrianba <glenn> agenda: [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013A ug/0005.html [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Aug/0005.html <scribe> Chair: Glenn Adams <scribe> Scribe: Adrian Bateman Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe Previous meeting minutes glenn: any comments? Review of action items and issues glenn: actions are in the agenda <glenn> ISSUE-1? <trackbot> ISSUE-1 -- Consider moving the Clear Key definition into a separate specification -- raised <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1 [23] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1 ISSUE-1? <trackbot> ISSUE-1 -- Consider moving the Clear Key definition into a separate specification -- raised <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1 [24] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1 <ddorwin> We usually just note this and move on. glenn: any comments? EME status and bugs glenn: EME draft last updated jul 16 ... 15 bugs open <glenn> [25]http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo [25] http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo <glenn> [26]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944 [26] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944 Bug 20944 - EME should do more to encourage/ensure CDM-level interop glenn: there were a couple of comments since the last meeting ... i proposed a way to resolve this bug ... Robert O'Callahan responded that it wasn't as strong as he desired ... i responded that he'd have to convince the group of his proposal ... he's requesting a fairly strong set of information about CDM ... i'm recommending a voluntary registry in the wiki adrianba: i'd be okay with the wiki proposal glenn: does anyone support robert's proposal? ... does anyone think we should keep it open for longer? <glenn> [27]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944#c15 [27] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944#c15 glenn: can we get an action on the editors to implement the resolution in comment 15 johnsim: i'm a little unclear about what we're adding to the spec ... just a link to a wiki? glenn: not suggesting making it a recommendation - in order to avoid collisions of key system names you can register here johnsim: so it would just be a registry of the names? glenn: there could be a comments field adrianba: recommend glenn creates the wiki page, maybe with an example entry, and adds proposed spec text to the bug <glenn> ACTION: glenn to draft wiki page to register CDM key system names [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-html-media-minutes.html#action 01] <trackbot> Error finding 'glenn'. You can review and register nicknames at <[29]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>. [29] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users%3E. <glenn> Action glenn to draft spec language for inclusions as note to address comment #15 of bug 20944 <trackbot> Error finding 'glenn'. You can review and register nicknames at <[30]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>. [30] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users%3E. Bug 20965 - EME results in a loss of control over security and privacy. [31]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20965 [31] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20965 glenn: i proposed a section called privacy concerns ... giving an example from webcrypto <glenn> [32]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20965#c32 [32] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20965#c32 glenn: any input on this? <glenn> adrianba: 2 parts to this issue <glenn> ... specific information: what are privacy implications? <glenn> ... does the design support take privacy into account? <glenn> adrianba: so is api asynch at right time to be able to ask user for permissions, etc? <johnsim> my microphone was muted at the time (???) <glenn> adrianba: we've discussed this in relation to other topics <glenn> ... between time session is created and session is ready, then user could be prompted if user decides not to allow use of EME <glenn> ... but haven't exhaustively considered this topic <glenn> ... henri's comment #9 also talks about storage of data <glenn> glenn: to adrianba, do you have any recommendations on how to proceed with this bug? <glenn> adrianba: prompt more discussion on ML ? glenn: it seems to me that a better way would be to attempt to draft some minimal language that could be used to fill in a section on privacy considerations ... do we have a section in the document on this right now? ... any volunteers to draft this? ... i will go ahead an volunteer to draft language on potential privacy considerations <glenn> Action glenn to draft language on potential privacy considerations <trackbot> Error finding 'glenn'. You can review and register nicknames at <[33]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>. [33] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users%3E. glenn: not an expert on this topic, will probably copy something from somewhere else and then put it on the list to solicit comments ... and also note other editorial comments, for example needing to look at API async Bug 20966 - EME design trivializes the demanded loss of control of security and privacy demanded. [34]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20966 [34] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20966 glenn: in february, adrian asked for more information from the submitter ... comment 1 had asked for spec text to change ... i propose that we close this issue without prejudice because there is no information provided ... but it could be opened with new information ... any objection to this? <ddorwin> Also note that privacy is being discussed/addressed in bug 20965. <glenn> RESOLVED: close bug 20966 without prejudice due to lack of essential information; allow reopening only if substantive new info is provided; glenn: any objections to this resolution? <glenn> Action adrianba to implement closing 20966 <trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Implement closing 20966 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-08-13]. Bug 21854 - Define MediaKeySession life cycle states and/or events [35]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854 [35] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854 glenn: resolution that adrian would implement solution as discussed ... any progress? adrianba: no progress yet - still a little discussion in the bug ... assume the resolution was without the state attribute ... i wasn't present at the end of the meeting last time <ddorwin> I don't feel strongly about the state attribute (certainly not as strongly as I do about addressing the bug overall). adrianba: not clear if the state attribute should be a separate bug or discussed here <ddorwin> If people have use cases for the state attribute, that's fine. We could always add it later, though. glenn: david, is there a way to resolve your comment? ... anyone proposing adding new information? ... then we should go ahead and act on the action and raise any issues <glenn> [36]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855#c5 [36] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855#c5 Bug 21855 - Avoid network traffic and duplicate sessions for the same key(s) [37]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855 [37] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855 glenn: sounds like this needs further thought ... if anyone has thoughts post to the mailing list ACTION-25? <trackbot> ACTION-25 -- David Dorwin to and John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 -- due 2013-07-19 -- OPEN <trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/25 [38] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/25 Bug 17673 - Define Initialization Data for implementations that choose to support the ISO Base Media File Format [39]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673 [39] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673 johnsim: i have not completed this ACTION-25 due in 1 week <trackbot> Set ACTION-25 And John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 due date to 2013-08-13. ACTION-27? <trackbot> ACTION-27 -- Adrian Bateman to add comments to bug 17750 summarising the recent discussion of close -- due 2013-07-09 -- CLOSED <trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/27 [40] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/27 Bug 17750 - Define the behavior MediaKeySession close() and clearing the keys attribute [41]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750 [41] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750 glenn: waiting for mark's input - mark's not on the call at the moment ... joe proposes to keep close but indicate that it is a hint ... joe's not on the call ... sounds like we need to defer until the next meeting <glenn> ACTION-27 due in 1 week <trackbot> Set ACTION-27 Add comments to bug 17750 summarising the recent discussion of close due date to 2013-08-13. Bug 18515 - Provide more details on behavior of the media element when the key for an encrypted block is not available [42]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515 [42] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515 glenn: david, do you have input on this? <glenn> [43]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515#c11 [43] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515#c11 ddorwin: i was just clarifying what i think joe had said glenn: do we have enough information to make progress? ddorwin: probably need to propose text and then discuss that glenn: would you like an action to do that? ddorwin: i probably won't do it in the next couple of weeks <glenn> action ddorwin to propose text to resolve bug 18515 <trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Propose text to resolve bug 18515 [on David Dorwin - due 2013-08-13]. Bug 21869 - Need clarity on stored keys for CDMs [44]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21869 [44] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21869 glenn: fairly lengthy thread with joe and david ... status? ddorwin: i replied to the thread - haven't had chance to look at the reply from this morning glenn: need to leave this open Other bugs for discussion glenn: any others? Any other business glenn: hearing none ... Next EME meeting will be on Tue Aug 13. Adjournment glenn: thanks everyone <glenn> trackbot, end meeting Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: glenn to draft wiki page to register CDM key system names [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-html-media-minutes.html#action 01] [End of minutes] ______________________ From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:53 PM To: public-html-media@w3.org Subject: {agenda} HTML WG media telecon 2013-08-06 - EME status and bug discussion The HTML WG media teleconference meeting will occur on 2013-08-06 for up to 60 minutes from 15:00Z to 16:00Z. http://timeanddate.com/s/2ea8 Tokyo midnight, Amsterdam/Oslo 17:00, London/Dublin 16:00, New Jersey/York 11:00, Kansas City 10:00, Seattle/San Francisco 08:00. Chair of the meeting: TBD (Paul Cotton is on vacation) Scribe: TBD (See the end of this email for dial-in and IRC info.) == Agenda == 1. Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe 2. Previous meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/07/30-html-media-minutes.html 3. Review of action items and issues https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/ Note: Outstanding actions associated with open bugs are later in the agenda. a) ISSUE-1: Consider moving the Clear Key definition into a separate specification https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1 4. EME status and bugs a) Encrypted Media Extensions editor's draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html Last updated on Jul 16 b) Encrypted Media Extensions bugs: http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo Status as of Aug 05: 15 bugs c) Proposed resolutions for certain bugs http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Jul/0022.html [1] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944 [2] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20965 [3] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20966 d) Bug 21854 - Define MediaKeySession life cycle states and/or events https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854#c9 Note: We decided on Jul 30 that Adrian could implement the solution as discussed. e) Bug 21855 - Avoid network traffic and duplicate sessions for the same key(s) https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855#c5 Note: Action on this bug is dependent on resolving Bug 21854 (see above). Discussed by not resolved on Jul 30. f) ACTION-25: And John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 (David) https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/25 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673 Note: On Jul 30 we changed the due date of this action to Aug 06. See: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673#c14 g) ACTION-27: Add comments to bug 17750 summarising the recent discussion of close (Adrian) https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/27 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750 Note: On Jul 16 several people agreed to review and add comments and we agreed to pick up at the Jul 30 meeting. Awaiting Mark’s input. h) Bug 18515 - Provide more details on behavior of the media element when the key for an encrypted block is not available https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515 Note: Joe Steele offered to add new input on Jul 16. i) Bug 21869 - Need clarity on stored keys for CDMs https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21869#c8 Note: Discussed on Jul 16. j) Other bugs for discussion 5. EME bugs awaiting input a) Bug 20966 - EME design trivializes the demanded loss of control of security and privacy demanded https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20966#c7 Note: Added to SOTD but awaiting proposed text. 6. Any other business 7. Chair and Scribe for next meeting. Note: Next EME meeting will be on Tue Aug 13. 8. Adjournment == Dial-in and IRC Details == Zakim teleconference bridge: +1.617.761.6200, conference 63342 ("media") https://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_5366 Supplementary IRC chat (logged): #html-media on irc.w3.org port 6665 or port 80 Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3 Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329 15 bugs found. ID▼ Assignee Status Summary Changed 21869 adrianba@microsoft.com NEW Need clarity on stored keys for CDMs 2013-07-16 21855 adrianba@microsoft.com ASSI Avoid network traffic and duplicate sessions for the same key(s) 2013-06-18 21854 adrianba@microsoft.com NEW Define MediaKeySession life cycle states and/or events 2013-06-18 21798 adrianba@microsoft.com NEW Revisit MediaKeyError codes 2013-04-26 20991 adrianba@microsoft.com NEW MediaKeys constructor: make CDM loading asynchronous and fix the load failure algorithm 2013-04-27 20966 adrianba@microsoft.com REOP EME design trivializes the demanded loss of control of security and privacy demanded. 2013-02-26 20965 adrianba@microsoft.com REOP EME results in a loss of control over security and privacy. 2013-06-07 20944 adrianba@microsoft.com NEW EME should do more to encourage/ensure CDM-level interop 2013-06-05 20622 watsonm@netflix.com ASSI SessionID may be assigned asynchronously in MediaKeys.createSession 2013-04-27 19809 adrianba@microsoft.com NEW Specify which portion of addKey() algorithm to run when updating license for a key 2013-04-27 18515 ddorwin@google.com ASSI Provide more details on behavior of the media element when the key for an encrypted block is not available 2013-06-07 17750 ddorwin@google.com ASSI Define the behavior MediaKeySession close() and clearing the keys attribute 2013-07-16 17673 adrianba@microsoft.com REOP Define Initialization Data for implementations that choose to support the ISO Base Media File Format Thu 18:47 17660 adrianba@microsoft.com REOP need token relative with user identity for a new generateKeyRequest parameter 2012-10-31 17199 watsonm@netflix.com ASSI Provide examples for and get feedback on Key Release 2013-07-16 15 bugs found.
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