Re: [Bug 10838] New: Make <u> conforming.

2010/9/30 Ethan Chen <chief@ethantw.net>

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On Sep 30, 2010, at 1:46 AM, KangHao Lu (Kenny) wrote:

隤芣銝銝蝞臬銋撠閮隢[1]嚗蝮賭撠望臬HTML5璅皞貉喳銝<u>曉具銝璅皞璅蝐扎[2]
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- 銝唳蝐歹<pn>銋憿嚗敺銝航

- <a><a href>嚗撅祆扳潘臭蝔格翰

- <span class="pn"> 舀暺憭芷瑚

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[1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-ig-zh/2010Aug/threadl#msg184

[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html#non-conforming-features

[3]
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html#obsolete-but-conforming-features

[4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/thread#msg268

[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maciej_Stachowiak


甇方


Kenny


On 2010/09/30, at 8:06, bugzilla@jessica.w3.org wrote:


http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10838


        Summary: Make <u> conforming.

        Product: HTML WG

        Version: unspecified

       Platform: PC

             URL: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html#obsolete-but-

                  conforming-features

     OS/Version: All

          Status: NEW

       Severity: major

        Priority: P3

      Component: HTML5 spec (editor: Ian Hickson)

      AssignedTo: ian@hixie.ch

     ReportedBy: kennyluck@w3.org

      QAContact: public-html-bugzilla@w3.org

              CC: mike@w3.org, public-html-wg-issue-tracking@w3.org,

                  public-html@w3.org, public-i18n-cjk@w3.org,

                 public-html-ig-zh@w3.org



This was discussed in a long thread[1] three years ago. There was no
consensus

and no response from the editor, but since some people like Maciej think we
can

make <u> at least conforming[2], I would like to raise this bug to catch the

editor's attention.


Proper name mark, in Chinese [3] is a use case that was slightly mentioned
in

the thread (see also an example picture[4]). The purpose of this mark is to

highlight *every* proper noun in some text to help the reader break words,

cause Chinese people don't use spaces for word breaking. Although it is no

longer popular recently, proper name mark is still used in some textbooks in

Taiwan (esp. children's Chinese textbook) and Hong Kong. Because the purpose

and frequency of using "proper name mark" in a piece of text is similar to
code

highlighting, I personally don't think it's appropriate to use <mark> for
this

purpose since the spec says "This (<mark>) is separate from syntax

highlighting, for which span is more appropriate." But then <span
class="pn">

is probably too long. This is not yet a very prevalent use case because
proper

name marks are often used in combination with vertical text and vertical
text

is not yet popular on the Web.


While I do strongly agree that an underlined text which is not a hyperlink

confuses the user in his/her browsing experience, there are HTML user agents

for which browsing the Web isn't the main purpose and hence the user might
not

get confused. e-book readers are such examles.


[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/thread#msg268

[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/0307

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_name_mark

[4] http://www.go8.com.tw/files/4168%200004.jpg


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