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[Bug 10524] Please clarify procedure and recourse for non-working group members when they are unsatisfied with a bug resolution

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:17:56 +0000
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--- Comment #13 from Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>  2010-09-13 18:17:55 ---
(In reply to comment #11)
> (In reply to comment #9)
> 
> Hi Sam,
> 
> > The only trend here is that Laura files a
> > bug, participates constructively in its resolution, and results are 
> > being posted.
> 
> Thanks to Maciej for calling the working group's attention [1] to the new
> Discussion Guidelines [2]. I hope group benefits from them. 
> 
> But I don't see how the Discussion Guidelines helps to directly solve this bug.
> The new Discussion Guidelines are ancillary to this bug.
> 
> This bug is about clarifying procedure and recourse for non-working group
> members to follow when they are unsatisfied with a bug resolution. There will
> be more that one person wanting to know the answer to the following questions: 
> 
> * What is the proper procedure for non-members to follow if they are
> unsatisfied with a bug resolution?

I said early in this thread that hard cases make for bad laws.  The procedure
will depend on what reason is given for the person to remain a non-member.

The reason why the Discussion Guidelines are not ancillary to this bug is very
simple: if the reason given turns out to be an unwillingness to agree to these
guidelines, then the answer is very simple: there is no procedure for such
individuals (if any) to follow as they simply are not welcome here.

> * How does the procedure for non-members differ from members?

What makes this hard is that we encourage discussion to occur on public-html,
and we don't allow non-members to post on public-html.  We would need to
understand the reason why this split is necessary before we find a way to
enable this sub-optimal arrangement.  Put another way, I am not interested in
pursuing a hypothetical discussion and create complicated procedures to handle
a case that may or may not ever occur.  If somebody wishes to participate, we
encourage them to join.  If they can not or will not, we want to know why. 
After we know why, we will take it from there.

> * Are non-members allowed to write change proposals? 

The simple answer is yes, but this is not a simple question.  There will be
conditions that will be placed over and above the conditions placed on members.
 What those conditions will be will depend on the reason why the person is
unwilling to become a member in the first place.

> * Are non-members required to join the working group for their proposal to be
> considered? 

Again, the simple answer is no; and again the conditions which will be placed
on non-members will depend entirely on the reason why the person is unwilling
or unable to become a member.

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