[Bug 7542] Remove Section 5. Microdata

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7542


Shelley Powers <shelleyp@burningbird.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|WONTFIX                     |




--- Comment #11 from Shelley Powers <shelleyp@burningbird.net>  2009-09-22 21:59:39 ---
(In reply to comment #10)
> > I listed out several people who I know of who gave user requirements and use
> > cases in your initial request. I pulled these names from the documentation you
> > provided. I stated that as far as I know, none of these people have responded
> > positively.
> 
> I confirmed that several have responded negatively.

Yes, I know.

> 
> 
> > You stated others have provided use cases and requirements, and that Microdata
> > fit their needs. I asked, specifically who they are, and what are the use
> > cases, so that we, the global audience, can verify for ourselves how well
> > Microdata meets the requirements.
> 
> I then said that I didn't feel comfortable giving their names. You then said
> that therefore "no one who gave requirements or use cases has responded
> positively to Microdata", directly contradicting my statement.
> 

We cannot independently verify with the people directly, nor independently
verify their user requirements and use cases. Therefore they cannot be taken
into consideration. 

I suggest you contact them and ask them to make their use cases and
requirements public.

> > You respond with either I'm not listening, or I'm calling you a liar.
> 
> When you directly contradict something I'm claiming about my own actions, then
> those are the only two possibilities I'm aware of.
> 
>

I'm saying that we, as the global audience, have a right and responsibility to
independently verify your decisions. This requires that we have the same data.

I'm asking you to provide this data. If you cannot, then it cannot be
considered.

> > If you're not willing to put the Microdata section to a true test
> 
> Not only am I willing to put the Microdata section to a true test, I'm doing it
> this Thursday and Friday. Google is doing a multiple-person usability study to
> examine three proposed variants of Microdata to see if we can improve the 
> feature even further.
>

I'm sorry but what a private company does or does not do is irrelevant. 

We do not have access to the test criteria, Google has shown itself not to be
impartial, and we don't have a way of independently verifying the results.

Google's data has always been suspect, and will continue to be suspect.

> > When you're willing to put the section to a rigorous test against all stated
> > use cases (which should become test cases), then we can see about putting it
> > back in.
> 
> I've already done this.
>

No, you have not. 

> 
> I'm not especially interested in a back-and-forth where you say I'm
> incompetent, say that what I'm claiming is false, and fail to raise any
> substantive technical arguments whatsoever. I recommend that you raise this
> with the chairs.
> 


I think you're biased, against RDFa, RDF, the W3C, and namespaces, and I think
you let your biases influence your decisions. I don't think we have the best
HTML5 specification as a result.

This item is already a raised issue blocking last call. I will keep this bug
open until this issue is resolve, or force to close it by the Chairs.


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