[MEDIA] Minutes for Media Sub-Group 02 JUN 2014

Thanks to everyone who attended today's Media Sub-Group meeting.  Below are the
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      [1] http://www.w3.org/

             HTML Accessibility Task Force Media Sub-Group

02 Jun 2014

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/06/02-html-a11y-media-irc


          JF, MarkS, Kazuyuki, janina, ShaneM, wuwei




     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Identify Scribe
         2. [5]TV & Web: Use Cases and Requirements (update)
         3. [6]Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements
         4. [7]Full Transcript
     * [8]Summary of Action Items

   <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2014

Identify Scribe

   <scribe> scribe: MarkS

TV & Web: Use Cases and Requirements (update)

   <kaz> [9]Web&TV minutes

      [9] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/28-webtv-minutes.html

   KAZ: Talked about new use cases on May 28. Everyone was very
   impresed and interest
   ... TV Broadcast chair, volunteered to take the lead and check
   the use cases in detail.
   ... need to identify what is new and which ones are just
   ... may need to reword a bit to fit the IGs use cases better
   ... the IG has started to review use cases submitted by john
   and mark. The new use cases submitted by janina will be added
   to 2nd generation.

   JS: I have a new one that is related to timescale modification.
   think it would be good to have a use case for it
   ... useful for people who watch videos in a non-domininant
   ... to slow it down

   KAZ: Might want to mention advantages to i18n as well

   JS: useful for travellers as well

   MS: do you think we will be able to provide feedback on the
   outcome of that work soon?

   KAZ: yes
   ... no date yet, will let you know soon.
   ... AC meeting is next week, so it may take longer than

   MS: anyone attending AC that would be useful to talk to?

   KAZ: i will ask

   JS: i will be there on Monday

   KAZ: I wanted to thank everyone for your work. great use cases.

Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments


     [10] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-a11y-reqs/


     [11] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-a11y-reqs/#KA-1

   SM: what are we doing with references to other documents?

   MS: Keeping an eye and doing our best to predict stability at
   this point

   JS: Three steps before we publish
   ... Need to make sure we are happy with this heartbeat.
   ... we need to respond to all commenters
   ... we might want to update vocabulary used since it has
   ...RE: section 4.8 might be a good time to re-write that
   section. Shouldn't taken long.
   ... know what we need to say and have gotten feedback
   ... know we can at least change the title, which is very
   awkward. Can probably use new term, second screen

   JF: That is very awkward. probably shorten it down. If we are
   going to use second screen, we want to indicate that it refers
   to one or more screens/devices

   JS: If you look at Sylvia's response to my email, that
   addresses that.
   ... there is understanding that it it more than one or two or
   three additional devices.
   ... I wonder if there is a definition somewhere that we can

   JF: there is a second screen community group

   KAZ: that group is converting to a working group

   <JF> [12]http://www.w3.org/community/webscreens/

     [12] http://www.w3.org/community/webscreens/

   JF: the CG has a definition

   KAZ: Use Cases and requirements were discussed in the Web & TV
   IG, and some of the participants launched a Community Group
   based on the requirements

   JF: This is a very quiet group. There are some knowlegeable and
   experienced participants.
   ... lot of people watching it, but not a lot going on.

   JS: so there may be an API?

   KAZ: yes

   JS: That is important

   <kaz> [13]Presentation API

     [13] http://webscreens.github.io/presentation-api/

   JF: If we're going to use this term, we need to have it clearly
   ... there is a concise defintion here. we may want to have a
   more formal definition somewhere

   JS: it could be a set of bluetooth headphones...

   SM: maybe we should call it secondary device

   JS: I'm not picky about the distinction, but understand its not
   always literally a visual display

   JF: so, the discussion is whether or not we want to use the
   term second screen, but based on this convo, it might be too

   SM: It's not second, its secondary

   <JF> suggestion: 4.8 Requirements on the parallel use of
   alternative content on secondary screens and other devices


     [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014May/0099.html

   JS: I think we can take out alternative. Secondary screens and
   other devices is circular, self-referential

   <ShaneM> suggestion: 4.8 Requirements on secondary screens and
   other devices

   JS: I like that

   JF: I like that

   MS: me too

   JS: the rest of the section needs to be improved as well
   ... take out references to UAAG and put it in the document
   ... I propose I take an action to rewrite this section

   JF: Looking at comment from Jim Allen, the title and intro
   should be changed.
   ... we can remove that comment and make sure the rest of the
   comments from UAAG have been addressed.

   JS, MarkS, and JF will not be available next week. Propose
   skipping next weeks meeting. Review rewritten text for this
   section in two weeks

   JF: I think we just need to focus on the title and the
   preamble. I think we can work on this via email

   JS: Has there been any discussions in other groups regarding
   this section, or were they not aware that this applies to 2nd

   KAZ: the idea of 2nd screen itself is not necessarily a
   secondary device. During the Munich workshop, some participants
   mentioned iPhone or iPad, usually 2nd screen could be the
   primary device.
   ... need to be careful how we refer to these devices
   ... perhpas we can ask them to clarify
   ... multiple devices or multiple modalities

   JF: its not talking about screens, its talking about multiple
   devices, consuming the same media stream, different ways on
   different devices.
   ... the group is probably focused on video, not audio.
   ... I think the preamble is where it needs to be cleaned up.
   ... its deliberately broad. need to expand on it in the

   MS: any other sections that need work before we publish next

   JF: i don't remember reviewing the long list of feedback from

   JS: I think we did that already

   <JF> (UAAG feedback here:

     [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jul/0108.html)

   JF: we should remove link to that sentence then.

   <scribe> ACTION: MarkS to remove reference to UAWG email in
   seciton 4.8 [recorded in

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-264 - Remove reference to uawg email
   in seciton 4.8 [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-06-09].

   JS: EO will look at section two before our fall heartbeat
   (hopefully LC)

   JF: Comment 33: CA-4, support filters. Clean audio, still
   refers to pre-emphasis filters. Did we agree/disagree?
   ... I think we need to go through these again to make sure they
   were all addressed
   ... there are 83 comments

   JS: We did not accept all of them

   JF: we refer to pre-emphasis filters. comment suggested we
   shoudl just use filters

   JS: i think that was a spelling mistake

   JF: I will take a quick look at these to make sure they were
   all addressed.

   JS: I'll look at minutes to see when we took these comments up

Full Transcript

   JS: we have two proposals


     [17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Full_Transcript

   scribe: Plan 2014 specifies that we can create an extension

   JF: Adrian expressed interest in this. I will have a chat with

   JS: I will look for minutes

   MS: suggest adding any historical work to this wiki page so we
   can make an informed decision on how to move forward.

   next meeting in two weeks

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: MarkS to remove reference to UAWG email in
   seciton 4.8 [recorded in

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