- From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:15:14 +0100
- To: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>
Can we add this to the agenda for next week, I have filed a formal objection to this title attribute as conforming part of the the decision on issue 80/31 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0451.html). I think that this aspect of the decision in particular is seriously flawed, I knwo other have serious concerns about other parts of the decision so it may be appropriate to have a a11y taskforce endorsed position (not that it means anything) on the various issues regards steve ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> Date: 19 April 2011 11:01 Subject: clarifications to issue 31 title as conforming when alt is omitted To: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> "Though somewhat tricky to follow, the following passage implies that in at least some assistive technologies, the contents of the title attribute *are* exposed, in an accessible way:" All browsers that I know of treat these 2 cases the same in regards to accessibility API mapping: example 1 <img src="2421.png" title="Image 640 by 100, filename 'banner.gif'"> example 2 <img src="2421.png" alt="Image 640 by 100, filename 'banner.gif'"> in the cases above both title and alt are mapped to the accessible name property in accessibility APIs, this has always been the case and as there is no practical alternative will continue to be the case. So for a screen reader user there is no difference in how the two are presented to the user. The only difference in the HTML5 specification are normative rules about what each attribute can contain, the alt attribute rules are precisiely described, the title attribute rules are not. Authoring as in example 2 is non conforming authoring 1 is not, quite the opposite it is encouraged in cases where a text alternative is not known. "Not much evidence was provided that this cannot or will not change, however. At least one product is already known to expose title in an accessible way, and others were reported to do so as an option. Thus, this was also taken as a weak objection." No graphical browser supports title attribute display in an accessible way. Now graphical browser maps title to accessibility APIs differently from how it maps alt when alt is not present. of the graphical browsers only webkit displays title content when images are not viewable or disabled, but only if the title content is a few words: (refer to the follwoing test/results http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/alt-tests/alt-examples.html) The fact that webkit displays title attribute content in the same way as alt when images are not displayed, is not an argument for its accessibility as it requires keyboard only users to turn images of in order to view titles. there is no equivalency in the method of access between keyboard and mouse users. Note: webkits behaviour is also non conforming as per the HTML5 spec: "The alt attribute does not represent advisory information. User agents must not present the contents of the alt attribute in the same way as content of the title attribute." [1] "One might wonder: since the use cases for omitting alt when title is specified are described as being served by either title or figcaption, is it necessary to allow omitting alt in both cases, or only for one of these constructs? " There is a clear distinction between the two, use of figcaption provides accessible display of the caption content, to all users at all times. Use of title does not and thus discriminates against a range of users as it is not implemented in a device independent way in any browser although it has been in HTML for 10+ years. these users include: those who cannot use a pointing device. screen magnifier software users. (at higher magnifications tooltips are not displayed in the viewport and as they are tied to mouse position the user can never read all the tooltips of more than a few words) users of built in browser magnification (tootlips are not magnified). users with cognitive impairments (in most browsers tooltips only apear on hover for a short time, around 5 seconds, so ). [1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/embedded-content-1.html#the-img-element -- with regards Steve Faulkner
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