- From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:56:06 -0500
- To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>
- CC: public-html-a11y@w3.org, Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com, janina@rednote.net, mike@w3.org, mjs@apple.com
On 11/30/2010 03:36 PM, Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote: > aloha, paul! > > i'm emailing this rather than adding to the specific bug you commented > upon because the comment contained in the forwarded bug report below to be > extremely misleading, for in making longdesc obsolete, the chairs > left HTML5 without a verbose description mechanism, which does NOT > address the underlying problem -- that HTML5 lacks a native means of > providing verbose descriptors and that before a feature which was > added to HTML4 expressly to enhance the accessibility of the web, which > is an issue FAR larger than any single bug, and an issue which MUST be > redressed before HTML5 can advance... Opening new bugs that cover the same territory is not the path forward. In the decision for issue-30[1] is the following text: Revisiting this Issue This issue can be reopened if new information come up. Examples of possible relevant new information include: * use cases that specifically require longdesc, * evidence that correct usage is growing rapidly and that that growth is expected to continue, or * widespread interoperable implementation. I believe that Laura is collecting this information. The advice that both I and Maciej gave in September on this topic is still relevant today: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Sep/0495.html - Sam Ruby [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/att-0112/issue-30-decision.html > in commenting on bug 10967, paul wrote, on behalf of the HTML WG chairs: > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------- > From: bugzilla@jessica.w3.org > To: public-html-a11y@w3.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:05:59 +0000 > Subject: [Bug 10967] Add @desclink, a description link attr. for any > embedded element + figure > > http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10967 > > Paul Cotton<Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> changed: > > What |Removed |Added > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Keywords| |WGDecision > Status|NEW |RESOLVED > Resolution| |WONTFIX > > --- Comment #8 from Paul Cotton<Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> 2010-11-30 > 20:05:58 UTC --- > This bug is directly related to Issue-30: > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30 > > The HTML WG co-chairs believe that this bug has been addressed by the WG's > decision on ISSUE-30. > > /paulc > on behalf of the HTML WG co-chairs > UNQUOTE > > this is factually incorrect -- yes, the chairs decided not to use > longdesc as a verbose descriptor for HTML5, but the chairs did NOT > suggest a substitute or improved mechanism for providing a verbose > descriptor mechanism for HTML5 > > if QUOTE The HTML WG co-chairs believe that this bug has been addressed > by the WG's decision on ISSUE-30. UNQUOTE then they are sadly mistaken, > as there still exists a gaping hole in HTML5 that was plugged by > LONGDESC in HTML4 -- requirements for a verbose descriptor mechanism for > HTML5 has been logged as a bug and has been identified by the HTML > A11y TF bug-triage team as a priority, for in their disposition of > ISSUE 30, the HTML WG chairs failed to address the missing functionality > in HTML5 due to the removal of LONGDESC > > http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10853 > > a fuller exploration of the issue and its potential solutions, plus > use cases, research etc. can be found at: > > http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Verbose_desc_reqs > > from which bug 10853 was excerpted > > the failure of the HTML WG chairs to suggest or solicit a replacement > for LONGDESC has already been the foundation of at least 2 notices of > formal objections, and is a MAJOR issue blocking HTML5's progress to > Last Call -- could the chairs PLEASE stop simply citing their > decision on ISSUE 30 as "the final word", since it clearly is not > the final word on the issue of providing verbose descriptor since > such a mechanism is no longer part of HTML5 as per the chairs' > decision on ISSUE 30 > > thank you, gregory. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of > focus. -- Mark Twain > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Gregory J. Rosmaita: oedipus@hicom.net > Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/ > Oedipus' Online Complex: http://my.opera.com/oedipus > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >
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