Re: Minutes from Media Subteam Mega-Telecon on Wednesday 17

As far as I can tell the problem in the minutes comes only from that the
media meeting time spanned 00:00 UTC, and the agent separated the log by
date at that point. I have shifted the log contents around based on
meeting instead of date and regenerated the minutes for both meetings:

Media 17 November: http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-minutes.html
Task Force 18 November: http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-html-a11y-minutes.html

There was also concern that some content was missing that was not
explained by the meeting time / date rollover, but I checked and didn't
find anything to make me conclude that. If in the above minutes
significant chunks of content still seem to be missing, let me know and
I'll look again. Some clues about what you think is missing would be
helpful.

To avoid this problem in the future, you can issue the command
"rrsagent, do not start a new log" if you know your meeting spans
midnight UTC. For the media team, it might be good to get in that habit
as I think the call time routinely spans the magic moment, now that
we're back on Standard Time. Anybody can issue this command though
normally it's a chair, team contact, or scribe who would do so. If
everybody forgets, it is possible to reconstruct the minutes offline as
I just did, just more hassle. ;)

Michael

Judy Brewer wrote:
> Just an update that we're partway through a reconstruction of the
> media subteam minutes from multiple buffers and logs.
>
> The midnight rollover on ERCIM servers may be part of the reason that
> the minutes generation was truncated; also the rolled-over portion
> then overlapped with another accessibility task force subteam meeting.
> It looks like it may all be recoverable, just needs to be pieced back
> together and cleaned up from raw irc so it's readable.
>
> We're pulling together what I'm hoping is the full raw log, and
> Michael Cooper is taking a turn at generating something more readable
> from that. In case anyone is particularly eager in the meantime, most
> of the content should be available through these two logs, noting that
> the Nov 18th one also runs into another meeting:
> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-irc
> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-html-a11y-irc
> Therefore also:
> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-minutes.html
> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-html-a11y-minutes.html
> with patches hopefully from this continuous log at
> http://people.w3.org/mike/outgoing/html-a11y.log
> which is time-stamped Tokyo time so the dates are different.
>
> - Judy
>
> At 08:19 AM 11/19/2010 -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
>> Argh. I've just looked at the file more closely. I know my minuting was
>> more sparse than I wanted it to be, but I can promise you it wasn't as
>> bad as the minutes indicate.
>>
>> I don't know what happened, or whether any of this is recoverable. I'll
>> see what, if anything, I can do locally. That buffer is still open on my
>> machine here.
>>
>> I do know that zakim dropped me several times during the call. It
>> appears that the chunk remaining in the minutes is from the point where
>> I last reconnected--which was, indeed, near the end of our 3.5 hour
>> session.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Sean Hayes writes:
>> > Possibly. There still seems to be a big chunk missing from the middle.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: public-html-a11y-request@w3.org
>> [mailto:public-html-a11y-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Silvia Pfeiffer
>> > Sent: 19 November 2010 00:52
>> > To: Paul Cotton
>> > Cc: Janina Sajka; HTML Accessibility Task Force
>> > Subject: Re: Minutes from Media Subteam Mega-Telecon on Wednesday 17
>> >
>> > I just found these as the first part of the minutes:
>> > http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-minutes.html - maybe the
>> minute taking was separated at midnight European time.
>> > Cheers,
>> > Silvia.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Paul Cotton
>> <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> > > These minutes appear to be VERY short for a MEGA telecom.  Are
>> these the only notes that were taken?
>> > >
>> > > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>> > > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>> > > Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: public-html-a11y-request@w3.org
>> > > [mailto:public-html-a11y-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:35 PM
>> > > To: HTML Accessibility Task Force
>> > > Subject: Minutes from Media Subteam Mega-Telecon on Wednesday 17
>> > >
>> > > November
>> > > Reply-To:
>> > > X-Operating-System: Linux sonata.rednote.net
>> > > 2.6.35.6-48.spk.fc14.x86_64
>> > > X-PGP-Key: http://rednote.net/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html
>> > > Minutes from today's HTML-A11Y Task Force Media Subteam
>> teleconference are given in text below, and are available as html at:
>> > > http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-html-a11y-minutes.html
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >   W3C
>> > >
>> > >                                                           - DRAFT -
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > SV_MEETING_TITLE
>> > >
>> > > 17 Nov 2010
>> > >
>> > > Attendees
>> > >
>> > >   Present
>> > >          Janina, John_Foliot, Geoff_Freed, silvia, Sean_Hayes, Judy,
>> > > Kenny_Johar, Plh
>> > >
>> > >   Regrets
>> > >   Chair
>> > >          SV_MEETING_CHAIR
>> > >
>> > >   Scribe
>> > >          janina
>> > >
>> > > Contents
>> > >
>> > >     * Topics
>> > >     * Summary of Action Items
>> > >
>> > >
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> > > ____________________________________________
>> > >
>> > >   cc-14 ttml=yes; websrt=css??
>> > >
>> > >   Silvia to clarify with example
>> > >
>> > >   cc-16/17 ttml=yes; websrt=no
>> > >
>> > >   <silvia> cc-15 tml=yes; websrt=yes
>> > >
>> > >   cc-18 ttml=yes, via namespace, -- frowned on
>> > >
>> > >   <silvia> websrt=yes
>> > >
>> > >   cc-27 more difficult in xml; but is being done
>> > >
>> > >   Silvia: has been raised as an issue
>> > >
>> > >   ecc-1 more complex in websrt
>> > >
>> > >   jf: important in educational settings, specifically dublin core
>> > >
>> > >   pp-2 ttml=yes; websrt=no
>> > >
>> > >   jf: seem two big differences--structural nav and text rendering;
>> > > also metadata
>> > >
>> > >   <Sean> paper talking about XML encoding and streaming
>> > > http://www.bayardo.org/ps/www04.pdf
>> > >
>> > >   <plh> time will be 5pm ET in two weeks
>> > >
>> > > Summary of Action Items
>> > >
>> > >   [End of minutes]
>> > >
>> > >
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> > > ____________________________________________
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
>> > >                sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>> > >
>> > > Chair, Open Accessibility       janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation
>> > > http://a11y.org
>> > >
>> > > Chair, Protocols & Formats
>> > > Web Accessibility Initiative    http://www.w3.org/wai/pf World Wide
>> > > Web Consortium (W3C)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
>>                 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>>
>> Chair, Open Accessibility       janina@a11y.org
>> Linux Foundation                http://a11y.org
>>
>> Chair, Protocols & Formats
>> Web Accessibility Initiative    http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
>> World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>
>

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Michael Cooper
Web Accessibility Specialist
World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
E-mail cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org>
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